own a camera AND a camcorder

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    Thanks for all your help
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    I have a D90 and do have a camcorder... however it sits in the closet with dead batteries collecting dust.

    No need! :)
     
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    Funny thing is, sitting outside with the wife and kids not long ago, Wifey asks me if I know what time it was. Nope, I don't have a watch. But wait a minute.... I turn the camera on, go through the menu, get to the Date/Time section, and bingo, it's 4:38 pm. :D
     
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    So what are you asking? Do you want to do the job well enough, or do you want to do the job properly? I too have hammered a nail into a piece of wood using a spanner, it worked well enough. I definitely wouldn't let my future career as a carpenter depend on the spanner though. (haha I wouldn't let it depend on my carpentry skill even if I had a hammer ;) )

    He makes a valid point. There is a tool for the job. DSLRs as video cameras for even an amateur videographer miss some hugely important features. So much so that some guys wrote custom firmware for the Canon 5DMkII to add some of these features for people who bought it as a video camera.

    Sure you can patch together addons and hacks with your DSLR that has custom fudged together firmware but at the end of the day if you want to be a videographer buy a video camera.

    Btw I find skiuer's comments most disturbing. How do you think people are going to become professional cameramen if they don't play around with a video camera. Did you learn how to take pictures using a video camera? Most amateurs and some professionals do not have the skill to shoot people's weddings, should they now not buy a camera? Also I wouldn't call filming a child's first steps amateur filming, just like I don't call my sister taking photos of herself by holding the camera at arms length amateur photography.

    Comparing apples to apples, yeah if you're just happy caming your child's first steps then a DSLR will do. Heck a decent point and shoot will do too these days.

    If you're doing actual amateur or professional video recording such as at a wedding that is being professionally filmed or to make a short movie... well try telling the bride the sound is distorted because you don't have level meters on your DSLR.

    Playing with video can be just as much of a fulfilling hobby as photography. But you've come to a biased forum with a loaded question. Biased in the sense that some think video is a plague on the DSLR menu screen, and other's who think that their cameras are gods gift and are looking forward to one day when they can make their breakfast toast.

    So UUilliam is right. If you're serious about video, then an SLR won't cut it. Despite what the very tiny handful of the internet says. That shooter of "Dublin people" that icassell linked to can come back and convince me otherwise when he is working for a movie studio.
     
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    I think both sides can be right, it just depends on what angle you're looking at it from.

    If you want to do professional photography and professional video, then perhaps the answer is no - you can't perform your best with one piece of equipment. That said, there ARE lots of videos on the Internet of people who know what they are doing who have shot some amazing footage with todays DSLR/Video recorder combos. And really, the technology that is in these devices are way ahead of what people were capturing video with years ago - and that seemed good enough.

    If you're a parent capturing moments of your childs life, family events, etc... then by all means I believe you can not only get by with one piece of equipment but it's also more likely you'll capture the moments when they happen. With a flick of a switch I can go from taking photos to capturing video and then back again, it's GREAT!
     
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    Think thats about hit the nail on the head, TBH i wouldn't use any pro video gear if my partner was not a tv producer. I have slrs that shoot vid pretty well and thats really all i need. She wouldn't use the slr for her work tho, just wouldn't cut the mustard for pro vid work.
     
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    I have read only the first few post and skipped the rest.

    Looks away from the train wreak ahead ~

    There are two Major draw backs of dslr for video~1. Audio and 2.The Iris

    For good video you need stero sound by external mikes and the camera man rolls the Iris for more gass not CLUNK the apature in 1/3 stops.

    Cheers Dan
     
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    A working videographer/cinematographer I've made the online acquaintance of is pretty excited about the capabilities of DSLR based video. According to him, "If you don't know video cameras, you might not understand quite how revolutionary this ability is, but it's staggering. Love the camera. As far as I am concerned, it can do anything..."

    Here's a recent vid he made:

    Nuit Blanche by Matthew K Nayman

    You can see some of his other stuff (made with non-DSLR gear) in the menu on the right at that link.
     
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    I don't think anyone is going to become a professional camera operator by playing around with a video camera, anymore than in the past, anyone became a professional movie maker, by shooting Super 8 film.

    FYI, I learned to take pictures before video cameras existed, but I learned video in television studios and on-location productions. I supplemented that by learning movie/film production in studios and on location as well.

    Sure, shooting a child's first steps is amateur filming unless you are being paid for it. And of course, if you have lots of money to burn, then sure buy a video camera, to only drag out on rare occasions when you remember it is in the drawer and the batteries have some charge in them.

    On the other hand many relatives and friends have the same reaction to watching video as their parents did to watching Super 8. As in,...ZZZZ time to fall asleep! :lmao:

    skieur
     
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    Steven Spielberg's and Ron Howard's first movies were made with 8mm cameras. Robert Rodriguez made about 40 short films on VHS before making a (commercially successful) feature on 16mm. J.R. Bookwalter made a commercially successful film entirely on super8. These people got started on the path to "professional movie maker" with 8mm film.

    If you can't afford film school or, like Spielberg, can't get accepted, then "playing around with a video camera" is an excellent start. Even if you can get into film school playing around with a video or 8mm camera is great experience.
     
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    As a user of a DCR-VX2100 I would have to say ease of use and balance.

    It's much easier to pan smoothly with something that is built with some weight and balence vs. something that was designed for still shots.

    Just my 2 cents.

    NOTE: I did not say impossible just easier.
     
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