Penn Station New York arrest

[usayit]

Btw.. going back to the original post.

I want to point out that we should all write our concerns to our representatives.

 

[usayit]

I'm listening.

For starters:

Please explain why profiling a photographer as a suspected terrorist/criminal is any different than racial profiling.

 

[table1349]

Fair comment; I guess my surprise is that a private company is allowed to maintain its own police-force. There's enough problems with legitimate, government law-enforcement entities.

One thing to keep in mind is the history of the railroads. In the US it is a very unique one. A vast majority of the land that the railroads were built upon was given to them, private industry, by the U.S. Government. The U.S. Government had a history of protecting the railroads in the early days. But as this country was "settled" the need for that form of protection was lessened.

There became however a need for the railroads to be protected in a different manner than in the early years and they built up their own security agencies in the beginning.

The FBI wasn't started until 1908.

The Secret Service was begun in 1865 with the purpose of stopping counterfeiting. Only later were they brought into play against bootlegging, mail fraud etc. It wasn't until 1897 before they provided their first presidential detail.

The U.S. Marshals date to 1789, but were there to enforce the laws of the United States including those that the Secret Service took over and to carry out Federal Death sentences.

Due to the vast network of railroads the U.S. Government found it expedient and more cost effective to pass legislation that gave law enforcement powers to the security agencies for the railroads under strict guidelines and oversight. While they have the same rights as any other law enforcement officer, they also have the same responsibilities. Every one that I have ever dealt with have been well trained professionals. It save the government from having yet another vast bureaucratic law enforcement agency to fund. It also kept them from having three departments of government from maintaining law enforcement branches. Currently there is the D.O.J. and the Department of the Treasury. They have enough trouble getting along. A third department would have added to the entire mess.

 

[usayit]

If they tried using even a modicum of common sense, they'd realize that no terrorist would use big, heavy, conspicuous SLR. They'd use the tiniest point-and-shoot they could find or some sort of obfuscated camera.

Ah.. but if that were true that a big heavy conspicuous SLR was a free ticket, don't you think any common sense terrorist would use that to their advantage?

"Security" is a scapegoat excuse for childish xenophobia.

Totally agree....

Why can't we all (human race) just all get together... smoke some weed um.. er.. have a few glasses of wine and relax a bit?

 

[table1349]

You know, I'm very proud of how I've strayed from my father's Tennessee upbringing of me where every other word was the n-word, but I'm not willing to let the pendulum swing so far in the other direction that I'm not observant of common sense and the fact that certain races commit the majority of certain crimes.. It's a simple matter of research... Facts are stubborn things..

With a statement like this:

quote=stsinner;This is why we should be racially profiling. We can't just ban all photography of anything that could be a terrorist target. That's just not freedom. A little common sense on the part of the authorities would go a long way..

You haven't strayed that far. Not something to be proud of.

 

[epp_b]

Ah.. but if that were true that a big heavy conspicuous SLR was a free ticket, don't you think any common sense terrorist would use that to their advantage?

Interesting point, but, like I and also the article pointed out: terrorists just don't do that anyway.

 

[stsinner]

With a statement like this:



You haven't strayed that far. Not something to be proud of.

I'll agree that my upbringing was bad in that race was all that mattered, but to say that race doesn't matter at all is just as ignorant..

 

[usayit]

terrorists just don't do that anyway.

Oh really?

There was a time that much of our defense was based on the assumption that opposing fighters have a will to live and fight another day.

We defeated one of the most powerful armies in the world by simply not doing the expected.

 

[table1349]

I'll agree that my upbringing was bad in that race was all that mattered, but to say that race doesn't matter at all is just as ignorant..

The only thing ignorant here is to think that race matters in any way shape or form. To think so is a classic example of Archie Bunker Syndrome.

 

[stsinner]

The only thing ignorant here is to think that race matters in any way shape or form. To think so is a classic example of Archie Bunker Syndrome.

That's one of the most ignorant things I've ever read.. You've obviously succumbed to the PC sickness.. Don't pay any attention the the Israeli/Palestinian conflict going on right now.. You may be in for a shock... Holy God... To think that people like this exist...

The big difference you must start to make is between what you wish was and what actually is...

 

[usayit]

Let me know how you are qualified to call me racist

Just to be clear... I never called you racist (don't know you). I simply disagreed with your stance that we should condone racial profiling and made my stance with historical facts.

Again.. nothing you posted makes you anymore credible. You have not posted any facts at all...

 

[stsinner]

Just to be clear... I never called you racist (don't know you). I simply disagreed with your stance that we should condone racial profiling and made my stance with historical facts.

Again.. nothing you posted makes you anymore credible. You have not posted any facts at all...

Okay.. Let me post some facts.. Ready? 9/11.. Get that?

 

[usayit]

Okay.. Let me post some facts.. Ready? 9/11.. Get that?

And how is 9/11 applicable? Any definite proof that racial profiling would have prevented 9/11? You can't even get it through your head that Radical islam is not bound by racial lines. You can't even get it through your head that organized terrorist organizations are not bound by racial lines. There is no proof that racial profiling is effective.

What I can tell you is that history specifically points out that specifically targeting groups along racial lines just degrades the freedoms of everyone. Slavery. Japanese Internment. Segregation. etc.. Racial profiling is effective at one thing.... breading racism in this country.

You haven't explained to me why profiling a photographer is any less acceptable and profiling along racial lines.

Archie Bunker you are..... (love that line Gryph.. laughed myself out of my chair)

 

[Yemme]

How you doin' Usayit?

 

[DRoberts]

Wow! What a post.
If a person is not swayed by your most obvious of arguments towards a point, why should you expect them to be swayed with repeated slants and angles?
Anyone who has stated an opinion on the subject of racial profiling is not going to change their mind on their own view. That being said, why is this still going on?
I believe the content of the original post is worthy of pages of discussion, but just like so many other post on here, it has been hyjacked for completely useless offtopic bullsh*t!
This just truelly shows that the OP is not the idiot of this village.