Photographing money?

[Scatterbrained]

The question is, how do you know if a digital image is bigger or smaller than the actual currency? If I photography a $1 bill with a 21mp camera, that image is going to be a lot larger than a real $1 bill. Meanwhile, I've seen some "Vine Magicians" who use the trick of throwing the money into the computer screen and then pulling it back out. The images on their screens are life sized, color accurate renderings of U.S. currency. Maybe M.S. Paint doesn't know what money is. Any which way, this is all very interesting. I guess I'll stick to using gold bullion and doubloons for my still-lifes.

 

[Tailgunner]

Yes, but the U.S. Government isn't worried about counterfeit Silver dollars coins as much as they are paper currency. I mean when is the last time the U.S. made an effect to change up the quarter and install anti-counterfeiting measures to it? They constantly change their paper currency in order to help prevent counterfeiting. Anyhow, try it out and see for your self. I was able to edit one photo with zero issues. It wasn't until I tried editing a second photo when i got the pop up box.

Yes, why fake a quarter. But just like money, why print fake Ones?
Unfortunately there are counterfeit eagle gold and silver coins out there worth alot more than a quarter.
You just may not hear about it. But it's a big problem in the coin collecting world and you can lose alot of money FAST ...
I like to collect bullion based coins so .... I'm read up on it quite a bit.
==> Ohio dealer reports counterfeit gold American Eagle
==> Detect Fake Gold & Silver Coins With An Easy Ping Test | Gold Silver Worlds

Oh sure, I used to deal in coins as well, did it for decades, I know about people counterfeiting coins and selling lead filled silver/gold bars. I've seen counterfeit comics for pete's sake. This is all part of a very small niche market while counterfeiting currency is a Global issue. I'm sure you're passionate about your hobby but the fact of the matter is, counterfeit metals is small potatoes compared to counterfeit currency. A person with the right machines can print out Billions while a counterfeit coin is lucky to fetch a few grand. Spare me the Double Eagle can fetch millions, there is only a handful in existence and anyone in the hobby knows the location of them...and it's not on Ebay.

 

[Tailgunner]

The question is, how do you know if a digital image is bigger or smaller than the actual currency? If I photography a $1 bill with a 21mp camera, that image is going to be a lot larger than a real $1 bill. Meanwhile, I've seen some "Vine Magicians" who use the trick of throwing the money into the computer screen and then pulling it back out. The images on their screens are life sized, color accurate renderings of U.S. currency. Maybe M.S. Paint doesn't know what money is. Any which way, this is all very interesting. I guess I'll stick to using gold bullion and doubloons for my still-lifes.

I'm not sure it does to be honest...well at least not until you print. I think the program saw that I already had a photo in my catalog and editing a second photo created a red flag. That and my photo included both sides. So i'm going to delete everything and only shoot one side.

If I'm not out here tonight replying, you know the Treasury Department or Secret Service ( who ever it handles it) didn't approve or my artistic currency idea

 

[astroNikon]

Yes, but the U.S. Government isn't worried about counterfeit Silver dollars coins as much as they are paper currency. I mean when is the last time the U.S. made an effect to change up the quarter and install anti-counterfeiting measures to it? They constantly change their paper currency in order to help prevent counterfeiting. Anyhow, try it out and see for your self. I was able to edit one photo with zero issues. It wasn't until I tried editing a second photo when i got the pop up box.

Yes, why fake a quarter. But just like money, why print fake Ones?
Unfortunately there are counterfeit eagle gold and silver coins out there worth alot more than a quarter.
You just may not hear about it. But it's a big problem in the coin collecting world and you can lose alot of money FAST ...
I like to collect bullion based coins so .... I'm read up on it quite a bit.
==> Ohio dealer reports counterfeit gold American Eagle
==> Detect Fake Gold & Silver Coins With An Easy Ping Test | Gold Silver Worlds

Oh sure, I used to deal in coins as well, did it for decades, I know about people counterfeiting coins and selling lead filled silver/gold bars. I've seen counterfeit comics for pete's sake. This is all part of a very small niche market while counterfeiting currency is a Global issue. I'm sure you're passionate about your hobby but the fact of the matter is, counterfeit metals is small potatoes compared to counterfeit currency. A person with the right machines can print out Billions while a counterfeit coin is lucky to fetch a few grand. Spare me the Double Eagle can fetch millions, there is only a handful in existence and anyone in the hobby knows the location of them...and it's not on Ebay.

Yes but it does exist.
I just wanted to point that out. They might not be duplicating quarters as most counterfeiters don't duplicate One dollar bills.

 

[Stormchase]

I find it more interesting that the software recognized the subject.

Me too haha.pretty cool if you ask me.

 

[JoeW]

Yes, but the U.S. Government isn't worried about counterfeit Silver dollars coins as much as they are paper currency. I mean when is the last time the U.S. made an effect to change up the quarter and install anti-counterfeiting measures to it? They constantly change their paper currency in order to help prevent counterfeiting. Anyhow, try it out and see for your self. I was able to edit one photo with zero issues. It wasn't until I tried editing a second photo when i got the pop up box.

Yes, why fake a quarter. But just like money, why print fake Ones?
Unfortunately there are counterfeit eagle gold and silver coins out there worth alot more than a quarter.
You just may not hear about it. But it's a big problem in the coin collecting world and you can lose alot of money FAST ...
I like to collect bullion based coins so .... I'm read up on it quite a bit.
==> Ohio dealer reports counterfeit gold American Eagle
==> Detect Fake Gold & Silver Coins With An Easy Ping Test | Gold Silver Worlds

Oh sure, I used to deal in coins as well, did it for decades, I know about people counterfeiting coins and selling lead filled silver/gold bars. I've seen counterfeit comics for pete's sake. This is all part of a very small niche market while counterfeiting currency is a Global issue. I'm sure you're passionate about your hobby but the fact of the matter is, counterfeit metals is small potatoes compared to counterfeit currency. A person with the right machines can print out Billions while a counterfeit coin is lucky to fetch a few grand. Spare me the Double Eagle can fetch millions, there is only a handful in existence and anyone in the hobby knows the location of them...and it's not on Ebay.

Yes but it does exist.
I just wanted to point that out. They might not be duplicating quarters as most counterfeiters don't duplicate One dollar bills.

It's not profitable to forge $1 bills. The smallest denomination that is counterfeited here in the States is the $20 (with any frequency anyways--I'm sure some idiots try to do $5 bills). It's the cost of the paper that's the thing--any high quality paper, let alone the stuff with the thread in it is going to cost you more than $1. Overseas (approximately half of US currency is outside the USA), it's the $100 bill that is the most common forgery and that's what North Korea goes after. That's b/c banks and savings accounts aren't as trusted as they are here--so people will truly put their money under their mattress.

 

[Tailgunner]

Yes, but the U.S. Government isn't worried about counterfeit Silver dollars coins as much as they are paper currency. I mean when is the last time the U.S. made an effect to change up the quarter and install anti-counterfeiting measures to it? They constantly change their paper currency in order to help prevent counterfeiting. Anyhow, try it out and see for your self. I was able to edit one photo with zero issues. It wasn't until I tried editing a second photo when i got the pop up box.

Yes, why fake a quarter. But just like money, why print fake Ones?
Unfortunately there are counterfeit eagle gold and silver coins out there worth alot more than a quarter.
You just may not hear about it. But it's a big problem in the coin collecting world and you can lose alot of money FAST ...
I like to collect bullion based coins so .... I'm read up on it quite a bit.
==> Ohio dealer reports counterfeit gold American Eagle
==> Detect Fake Gold & Silver Coins With An Easy Ping Test | Gold Silver Worlds

Oh sure, I used to deal in coins as well, did it for decades, I know about people counterfeiting coins and selling lead filled silver/gold bars. I've seen counterfeit comics for pete's sake. This is all part of a very small niche market while counterfeiting currency is a Global issue. I'm sure you're passionate about your hobby but the fact of the matter is, counterfeit metals is small potatoes compared to counterfeit currency. A person with the right machines can print out Billions while a counterfeit coin is lucky to fetch a few grand. Spare me the Double Eagle can fetch millions, there is only a handful in existence and anyone in the hobby knows the location of them...and it's not on Ebay.

Yes but it does exist.
I just wanted to point that out. They might not be duplicating quarters as most counterfeiters don't duplicate One dollar bills.

It's not profitable to forge $1 bills. The smallest denomination that is counterfeited here in the States is the $20 (with any frequency anyways--I'm sure some idiots try to do $5 bills). It's the cost of the paper that's the thing--any high quality paper, let alone the stuff with the thread in it is going to cost you more than $1. Overseas (approximately half of US currency is outside the USA), it's the $100 bill that is the most common forgery and that's what North Korea goes after. That's b/c banks and savings accounts aren't as trusted as they are here--so people will truly put their money under their mattress.

Now when you say counterfeit the paper with threads, is this the metallic like strip thats inserted inside the paper that states USA 20 or USA 100 over and over for example?

Thats pretty wild if thats what counterfeiters are doing. The easiest way to spot a fake bill is using an ultraviolet light. That strip glows a certain color for each bill, $20 = Green for example. It's always in the same location. At least that is how I generally check my money. So if their counterfeiting that, we've got issues.

 

[greybeard34 7]

Short answer, find something else to take pictures of.

 

[Tailgunner]

Short answer, find something else to take pictures of.

The Counterfeit Detection Act of 1992, Public Law 102-550, in Section 411 of Title 31 of the Code of Federal Regulations, permits color illustrations of U.S. currency provided:

 

[JoeW]

Yes, but the U.S. Government isn't worried about counterfeit Silver dollars coins as much as they are paper currency. I mean when is the last time the U.S. made an effect to change up the quarter and install anti-counterfeiting measures to it? They constantly change their paper currency in order to help prevent counterfeiting. Anyhow, try it out and see for your self. I was able to edit one photo with zero issues. It wasn't until I tried editing a second photo when i got the pop up box.

Yes, why fake a quarter. But just like money, why print fake Ones?
Unfortunately there are counterfeit eagle gold and silver coins out there worth alot more than a quarter.
You just may not hear about it. But it's a big problem in the coin collecting world and you can lose alot of money FAST ...
I like to collect bullion based coins so .... I'm read up on it quite a bit.
==> Ohio dealer reports counterfeit gold American Eagle
==> Detect Fake Gold & Silver Coins With An Easy Ping Test | Gold Silver Worlds

Oh sure, I used to deal in coins as well, did it for decades, I know about people counterfeiting coins and selling lead filled silver/gold bars. I've seen counterfeit comics for pete's sake. This is all part of a very small niche market while counterfeiting currency is a Global issue. I'm sure you're passionate about your hobby but the fact of the matter is, counterfeit metals is small potatoes compared to counterfeit currency. A person with the right machines can print out Billions while a counterfeit coin is lucky to fetch a few grand. Spare me the Double Eagle can fetch millions, there is only a handful in existence and anyone in the hobby knows the location of them...and it's not on Ebay.

Yes but it does exist.
I just wanted to point that out. They might not be duplicating quarters as most counterfeiters don't duplicate One dollar bills.

It's not profitable to forge $1 bills. The smallest denomination that is counterfeited here in the States is the $20 (with any frequency anyways--I'm sure some idiots try to do $5 bills). It's the cost of the paper that's the thing--any high quality paper, let alone the stuff with the thread in it is going to cost you more than $1. Overseas (approximately half of US currency is outside the USA), it's the $100 bill that is the most common forgery and that's what North Korea goes after. That's b/c banks and savings accounts aren't as trusted as they are here--so people will truly put their money under their mattress.

Now when you say counterfeit the paper with threads, is this the metallic like strip thats inserted inside the paper that states USA 20 or USA 100 over and over for example?

Thats pretty wild if thats what counterfeiters are doing. The easiest way to spot a fake bill is using an ultraviolet light. That strip glows a certain color for each bill, $20 = Green for example. It's always in the same location. At least that is how I generally check my money. So if their counterfeiting that, we've got issues.

First, technically speaking, the currency isn't even printed on "paper." It's printed on a combination of linen and cotton. It has threads running through the bills. T

And as you pointed out, there are also strips inserted in some bills. This is to keep someone from buying legit $1 bills, bleaching them out, and then printing $20's or $50;s on the legitimate paper. Effectively this means that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing uses different paper for different bills.

And despite those precautions, the North Koreans have managed to purchase a large quantity of paper that is pretty close to what the US Treasury uses.

 

[Tailgunner]

Yes, but the U.S. Government isn't worried about counterfeit Silver dollars coins as much as they are paper currency. I mean when is the last time the U.S. made an effect to change up the quarter and install anti-counterfeiting measures to it? They constantly change their paper currency in order to help prevent counterfeiting. Anyhow, try it out and see for your self. I was able to edit one photo with zero issues. It wasn't until I tried editing a second photo when i got the pop up box.

Yes, why fake a quarter. But just like money, why print fake Ones?
Unfortunately there are counterfeit eagle gold and silver coins out there worth alot more than a quarter.
You just may not hear about it. But it's a big problem in the coin collecting world and you can lose alot of money FAST ...
I like to collect bullion based coins so .... I'm read up on it quite a bit.
==> Ohio dealer reports counterfeit gold American Eagle
==> Detect Fake Gold & Silver Coins With An Easy Ping Test | Gold Silver Worlds

Oh sure, I used to deal in coins as well, did it for decades, I know about people counterfeiting coins and selling lead filled silver/gold bars. I've seen counterfeit comics for pete's sake. This is all part of a very small niche market while counterfeiting currency is a Global issue. I'm sure you're passionate about your hobby but the fact of the matter is, counterfeit metals is small potatoes compared to counterfeit currency. A person with the right machines can print out Billions while a counterfeit coin is lucky to fetch a few grand. Spare me the Double Eagle can fetch millions, there is only a handful in existence and anyone in the hobby knows the location of them...and it's not on Ebay.

Yes but it does exist.
I just wanted to point that out. They might not be duplicating quarters as most counterfeiters don't duplicate One dollar bills.

It's not profitable to forge $1 bills. The smallest denomination that is counterfeited here in the States is the $20 (with any frequency anyways--I'm sure some idiots try to do $5 bills). It's the cost of the paper that's the thing--any high quality paper, let alone the stuff with the thread in it is going to cost you more than $1. Overseas (approximately half of US currency is outside the USA), it's the $100 bill that is the most common forgery and that's what North Korea goes after. That's b/c banks and savings accounts aren't as trusted as they are here--so people will truly put their money under their mattress.

Now when you say counterfeit the paper with threads, is this the metallic like strip thats inserted inside the paper that states USA 20 or USA 100 over and over for example?

Thats pretty wild if thats what counterfeiters are doing. The easiest way to spot a fake bill is using an ultraviolet light. That strip glows a certain color for each bill, $20 = Green for example. It's always in the same location. At least that is how I generally check my money. So if their counterfeiting that, we've got issues.

First, technically speaking, the currency isn't even printed on "paper." It's printed on a combination of linen and cotton. It has threads running through the bills. T

And as you pointed out, there are also strips inserted in some bills. This is to keep someone from buying legit $1 bills, bleaching them out, and then printing $20's or $50;s on the legitimate paper. Effectively this means that the Bureau of Engraving and Printing uses different paper for different bills.

And despite those precautions, the North Koreans have managed to purchase a large quantity of paper that is pretty close to what the US Treasury uses.

Paper is just a relative term used for the average person.

Anyhow, I find anti-counterfeiting measure very interesting, at least the technology and have read up on the subject. I like to make sure my money is real....I does matter if it comes from a bank, I check it lol Anyways, the $5 bill is the lowest bill with the strip and each strip is placed differently on each bill and glows a different color under black light. The paper is made by Crane and they toss in red and blue fibers that are randomly mixed in with it's just a paste or sorts.

 

[bribrius]

i see why people counterfeit, this would make a awesome home project trying to replicate the paper, threads and coming up with a ink some how. Put a little single wheel press on kitchen table and buy a couple rollers I could have a blast doing this all winter... just seein how close I could come. have to make your own paper, come up with some hand mixed ink to get close, I dunno.

kids could help to kind of like a arts and crafts family project..