Thanks for the looks and comments all. I'll get some xtol jc, been stuck in a D76 rut for years now, time to try something else. The grain on other ones from this roll wasn't as pronounced Terry, then the light was different, even though exposures were consistent. I wanted to bring out the shadows on the wall and that's when the grain appeared. I always wonder when playing with those sliders what results would I get using darkroom printing tricks. Unfortunately, if I remember, results did include a soggy expensive waste bucket.