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IMO the Canon1D MKII is a MUCH better choice than any Pentax, Sony, Sigma.

I realize that you already qualified this statement by putting IMO, and that everyone is entitled to an opinion. But there's really nothing to substantiate that comment.

Neither does your comment, nor this one as a mater of fact,Some people are biased towards the System they use, and it shows that both of you's are.

I'm not biased towards any system. Pentax works best for what I do. Canon and Nikon both are better than Pentax at certain things. Pentax is better than Canon or Nikon at other things. What Pentax does best lines up with what I'm looking for.

What is biased is a completely unsubstantiated state that the 1DmkII is better than any pentax, sony or sigma, which is just a total BS statement with nothing to back it up.

When in reality, if you compare the 1DmkII to the Pentax K-5, you get:

K-5 vs 1DmkII
MP 16 vs 8
ISO 80-51200 vs 50-3200
Weight 750g vs1220g
FPS 7 vs 8
DR 14.1 vs 11.1
DXO score 82 vs 66
Body Mag Alloy vs Mag Alloy
Screen 3" vs 2"
Video 1080p vs None
Crop 1.5 vs 1.3
Sealed Yes vs Yes

And so on...

I'm not a fanboy. Canon and Nikon make really nice stuff. But I think it's ridiculous to make the claim that a 1DmkII is a MUCH better choice than any Pentax, Sony or Sigma.
 
I think I would go with the Tamron
Tamron 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di VC Autofocus Lens AF020C-700 B&H

Thanks for the help. This seems like a good combination.

here is a teleconverter i picked, but the chart says it won't fit.
Canon 1.4x EF Extender II (Teleconverter) 6845A004 B&H Photo

do you think this one will work?
Tamron 1.4x Teleconverter for Canon AF AF14C700 B&H Photo Video

I wouldn't fit a converter to that lens it's not that good on it's own, lens converter are meant to be used with prime lenses. It's not a lens i would fit on one of my MK2's; your post say shooting pro that lens is no where near pro

I'm with Gary on this one. You're talking about wanting some pro setup, but looking at consumer lenses, to put on an outdated pro body. Not saying the the 1DmkII isn't still capable of making great picture. But you seem to have this unnecessary fixation on getting something "pro", when if you could get something "not pro" that is more modern and likely better, for the same amount of money or less. And also have a fixation on FF, even though you've yet to give a good reason to need it, and seem to be ok with settling for 1.3 crop, but think that a 1.5 crop is an abomination.

I think you'd be best off getting a more modern, semi-pro aps-c body, and a high quality lens to go with it.
 
ok here we go.

this is my wish list for the canon 1D

Wish List - B&H Photo Video

I won't be buying everything at one time, but they are semi organized in the order I will be purchasing them. obviously the camera and lens will be first =)

@GeneralBenson

I would like full frame, it is better for doing wideangle shots, but obviously I am not going to get a full frame camera that shoots 6-10 fps for $1000. The Canon 1D is a good all around camera for shooting wide angle and also getting me the fast shutter speeds i want for doing action shots while deployed. and it is also very rugged and a sealed body.
 
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I would like full frame, it is better for doing wideangle shots, but obviously I am not going to get a full frame camera that shoots 6-10 fps for $1000. The Canon 1D is a good all around camera for shooting wide angle and also getting me the fast shutter speeds i want for doing action shots while deployed. and it is also very rugged and a sealed body.

I get where you're coming from, and see why you would think that. But the reality is that it's just not that true. Especially with the kit you are looking at. FF bodies aren't "better for doing wideangle shots", they just yield a wider perspective for a given focal length. So, an FF body will make a given lens look wider, provided that the lens has a large enough image circle to cover and FF sensor.

But what generally happens, is that people with crop bodies just shoot with wider lenses to begin with, so it sort of ends up being a a wash. For example, the 28-300 lens that you want is kind of a classic focal length for FF. But there are plenty of 18-200 aps-c only lenses the effectively render the exact same angles of view as the 28-300 would on FF. The only real difference is that a 1D with a 28-300 will be considerably larger than a d300s with a 18-200. But what's worse, is that the mkII is aps-h, or 1.3 crop, which means you won't even get the same field of view as FF would have, nor can you use the aps-c lenses meant to give equivalent FL's. So now you end up with an FF equivalent of basically 38-400. And 38 on FF is not that wide. If you got a aps-c camera with an 18-xxx lens, it would actually be "better at wideangle shots" than the 1DmkII with a 28-300 would be.

It's all a matter of equivalents. 20mm on aps-c will look nearly identical to 30mm on FF, which would look nearly identical to 26mm on aps-h. And all other things being equally, I would defy just about anyone to look at a pile of image that are either 20mm aps-c or 30mm FF, and be ableto pick out which ones are which.

I know that FF is generally regarded as "pro", and that it is lusted after as the holy grail of DSLRs, but the reality is that most people and they includes pros, don't have the legitimate of a need for actually having it. 99% of shots that can be made with FF can be made with aps-c, and with the way current technology is progressing, I would say that all of the current crop of semi-pro aps-c DSLRs are better than the 1DmkII is just about every way.

I'm not against FF, nor do I think it's obsolete, but I think too many people just have this notion that aps-c isn't "pro" enough for them. And I too often hear people thinking that an FF body is the magic bean that will make their photography better. I don't care who you are, if you can't make good images with an aps-c body, you won't be able to do it with FF either. And don't think that just because you take a "pro" body out into the field, that you're going to being pro shots home with you. Barring a few extreme situations, what camera got used is one of the most insignificant factors in regards to whether an image came out great or not.

Also, on another note, don't get to hard for FPS. It's not nearly as useful as you think it is. I've made many perfectly timed, peak-action shots, shoot just a single well timed shot; and I've shot many high FPS bursts only to somehow still miss the peak action of the moment. It's a very common misperception that all sports pros get great shots by just letting 'er rip at 10fps. Many action shooting pros still just shoot single well time shots, and in many cases, you don't have a choice. Pro NBA shooters, have big powerful strobes up in the ceiling that take over a second to recycle. So that means that one you take a shot, you don't get to take another one for at least a second, which in the world of sports, is a LONG time. So when Lebron comes down the court for a breakaway dunk, it means you get one chance to capture it at the perfect moment, because by the time those lights recycle for your next shot, he's already running back down the court celebrating. High FPS can be useful in certain situations, but most of the time, a well-timed shot is more useful.

It's sound to me like you're someone who is getting into photography and has aspirations of getting pretty advanced and/or going somewhere with it. But it also sounds like you've been hoodwinked and bought into all the web chatter that if you want to take great shots, you NEED a "pro" body, and that if you want to capture great action, you NEED 10 fps. Neither of those are remotely true. I would again defy anyone to pick up any magazine, through it, and tell which images were FF or aps-c, and which were single shots and which were from a high-speed burst.
 
I would like full frame, it is better for doing wideangle shots, but obviously I am not going to get a full frame camera that shoots 6-10 fps for $1000. The Canon 1D is a good all around camera for shooting wide angle and also getting me the fast shutter speeds i want for doing action shots while deployed. and it is also very rugged and a sealed body.

I get where you're coming from...

Thanks for your input, but i have done a lot of research and i would much rather have a larger sensor, for better quality (Canon 1D Mark II 28.7 x 19.1 mm compared to Canon 60D 22.3 x 14.9mm), than a larger megapixel rating. However. to each their own i say. No one is going to agree on everything. The most important thing for me on a camera at this point is full frame fast burst. Most people probably could care less about those factors. I guess it all depends what you want in a camera.

I came strait out of shooting film. I have shot film for the past 3 years and I like my full frame sensors and I like a fast burst rate. I think people who never shot film before might not care as much about a full frame sensor. http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...rence-between-full-frame-cropped-sensors.html
 
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I would like full frame, it is better for doing wideangle shots, but obviously I am not going to get a full frame camera that shoots 6-10 fps for $1000. The Canon 1D is a good all around camera for shooting wide angle and also getting me the fast shutter speeds i want for doing action shots while deployed. and it is also very rugged and a sealed body.

I get where you're coming from...

Thanks for your input, but i have done a lot of research and i would much rather have a larger sensor, for better quality (Canon 1D Mark II 28.7 x 19.1 mm compared to Canon 60D 22.3 x 14.9mm), than a larger megapixel rating. However. to each their own i say. No one is going to agree on everything. The most important thing for me on a camera at this point is full frame fast burst. Most people probably could care less about those factors. I guess it all depends what you want in a camera.

I came strait out of shooting film. I have shot film for the past 3 years and I like my full frame sensors and I like a fast burst rate. I think people who never shot film before might not care as much about a full frame sensor. http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...rence-between-full-frame-cropped-sensors.html

Fair enough. Hope it turns out to be just what you need and want.

Stay safe over there!
 
The 1D Mark II is a POS compared to entry level DSLR's now adays. I've used it many times with the 70-200mm f2.8 IS and I hate it. I really don't feel like going into details though, not trying to start a Nikon vs Canon war.
 
The 1D Mark II is a POS compared to entry level DSLR's now adays. I've used it many times with the 70-200mm f2.8 IS and I hate it. I really don't feel like going into details though, not trying to start a Nikon vs Canon war.

hey don't get me wrong. I love both Nikon and Canon. Actually after this deployment i plan on getting a Nikon D700. Then use it for my next deployment camera and when i come back from that get the next newest thing, so i always have two bodies and use the oldest for the deployment camera.
 
OK OK OK OK! I know you all are probably getting pretty tired of this, but guess what!? If it makes you feel any better you have all helped me in my decision one way or another.

I have decided to take the advice of someone who commented on here and said I need to double my budget. So We are going to double it!

New budget is $4000 for just the camera and one lens.

Here are the camera bodys I am considering

Nikon D700 Nikon D700 SLR Digital Camera (Camera Body) 25444 B&H Photo
Canon 5D Canon EOS 5D Mark II Digital Camera (Camera Body) 2764B003 B&H
Canon 1D Mark III (used) Used Canon EOS-1D Mark III 10.1 Megapixel Digital SLR 1888B002
Nikon D3 (used) Used Nikon D3 SLR Digital Camera (Camera Body) 25434 B&H Photo

Now I picked the bodies to chose from. What lenses would you suggest I get.
Make note that the higher the cost of the body the lower cost of the starter lens I can get...

Here I have updated my "wish list" with possible lenses. Take a look http://www.bhphotovideo.com/wl/3B9426663D

Keep in mind that I do not want to change lenses too much but I also don't want one with a rediculously high f/stop like f6.3. However If i need to buy a prime wide angle and then a zoom telephoto that is fine but I will only be buying one lens at a time with this budget.

The time frame for this is one to two months.

Thank you for the help =)

~3bayjunkie~
 
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I know im a Canon guy,and i would suggest Canon,but what i would get if i was you is the D3 or the D700 and the nikor 80-200/2.8 and the 50mm/1.4 or the 1.8 if you only want to get 1 lens,as its a cheap lens.
It's probably the better option then the Canon if you want a FF that bad,as the 5D wont offer you High speed continous shooting.
 
I know im a Canon guy,and i would suggest Canon,but what i would get if i was you is the D3 or the D700 and the nikor 80-200/2.8 and the 50mm/1.4 or the 1.8 if you only want to get 1 lens,as its a cheap lens.
It's probably the better option then the Canon if you want a FF that bad,as the 5D wont offer you High speed continous shooting.

That is just a little over my budget but I think you are right. That would be a good combination =) I will probably get a 50mm f1.4 and the 20mm f2.8 to go with it anyway, but not as a primary lens.
 
Hello, this is my first post on here, just thought I would get that out of the way.

I am looking at buying a good camera and one lens. I am deploying soon to Iraq and want to take the opportunity to get some unique photos.
I have decided on a budget of around $2000.00 and have chosen a camera body and lens. I would like some input from you. let me know
if you agree or think there is a better option. I do not have these selections set in stone.

Thanks for the input!


[Camera Body] I chose this camera for the full frame sensor and high frame rate.
Price: $1000 (used, )
Canon 1D Mark II:
8.2 Megapixels
full frame CMOS sensor (19.1 x 28.7mm)
8.5 fps continuous (40 JPEG, 20 RAW)
canon-EOS-1D-Mark-II-N-back.jpg



[Lens] I chose this lens for an all around use and speed.
Price: $799 (new, B&H)
Filter size: 77mm
f-stop range: 2.8-22
minimum focus distance: 3.3' (1 m)
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Let me know what you think.
Why are you asking when you said you already chose the above?
The way you worded the above post made me thing you already got it?
Were you just thinking or already got them?
 
Why are you asking when you said you already chose the above?
The way you worded the above post made me thing you already got it?
Were you just thinking or already got them?

I didn't buy the camera. If you read it, you would see i said "I am looking to buy" not that I had already. But with lots of help from the people here posting in this thread I have come to realize that the 1D mk II would not be sufficient enough. read some of the newer posts on this thread.
 

Remember that the Alphas use (almost) every Minolta Maxxum accessory out there. That means there's a lot of good-to-great glass gathering dust in people's closets if you can find it. I just got a 75-210 f/4 and a 50mm f/1.8 that were forgotten in a bag with a broken Maxxum 7000 for free.

There are a few oddballs among the Minolta line; the 7000 and a few others use ISO hotshoes instead of the Minolta/Sony one ($8-15 for an adapter) and some of the early digital lenses are made for cropped sensors, but of course the film lenses are full frame.
 

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