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I shot part of a soccer game in Aperture Priority ... the camera did the nice thing of making everything +1 Exposure to the way it should look.
I switched to M at some point and brought it down myself.
 
I shot part of a soccer game in Aperture Priority ... the camera did the nice thing of making everything +1 Exposure to the way it should look.
I switched to M at some point and brought it down myself.

So once again, we have someone blaming the equipment. Did you have exposure compensation applied? Or did you attempt to apply exposure compensation to fix the overexposure?
 
I know exactly what you mean. I generally swap modes based on what I'm doing rather than showing off. I think people who shoot exclusively in manual, to say they do, don't understand why people would use Shutter Priority, Aperture Priority or any other mode. They don't totally realize that the other modes are useful as well and that they can be used to speed up their process and their time used will be much smaller. Also most of them probably don't know what a light meter is and think that the camera's built in meter will always be perfect. For this same reason they never check their histogram to make sure the color's are all contained in they dynamic range of the camera.
 
I shot part of a soccer game in Aperture Priority ... the camera did the nice thing of making everything +1 Exposure to the way it should look.
I switched to M at some point and brought it down myself.

So once again, we have someone blaming the equipment. Did you have exposure compensation applied? Or did you attempt to apply exposure compensation to fix the overexposure?
who blamed the equipment.
just the algorthym of my settings. I just lowered the shutter speed rather than lowering the exposure as I like to control the shutter speed for various things instead of just exposure .... just more variables to have to change to get my desired results .... more KISS logic.
 
I know exactly what you mean. I generally swap modes based on what I'm doing rather than showing off. I think people who shoot exclusively in manual, to say they do, don't understand why people would use Shutter Priority, Aperture Priority or any other mode. They don't totally realize that the other modes are useful as well and that they can be used to speed up their process and their time used will be much smaller. Also most of them probably don't know what a light meter is and think that the camera's built in meter will always be perfect. For this same reason they never check their histogram to make sure the color's are all contained in they dynamic range of the camera.
I think your main problem, is that you don't understand people are different. That is WHY there are so many bodies and so many different ways to take a picture. People shoot differently and some people (me included) may be faster when using Manual mode than when using a priority mode. I can 100% promise you, I am faster in Manual mode...because it is what I learned on, and what I am used to. It would be really stupid for me to try and change something I am proficient at.

And FWIW I use my light meter, and my histograms. And I expose to the right, not on zero. SO...
 
When I go shooting outside, I already know the approximate exposure I will be using. On bright, sunny days, it's ISO 100, f/8, 1/500 sec. Open shade, same scenario, 4 stops less. Semi-sunny, weak shadows is 1/250 sec. Overcast is 1/125 sec. If the lens is long, I adjust based on "my" hand-holding limits and set the shutter speed accordingly. If the lighting is constantly changing (think partly cloudy with the sun alternating between hiding behind clouds and not), then Av is the easiest mode to use. If I'm indoors (but no flash), then manual gives me the most control, as there is usually a very wide dynamic range with areas near windows being much brighter than the interior shadow areas (6 stops or more), and manual allows me to chose which level of brightness I want to expose for. If I'm going for a specific blur effect, then depending on the light stability, it's either manual or Tv. If I'm shooting in bright conditions with fill flash, then usually Av gives the best results if light is variable, and M if the light is stable. If I'm shooting off-camera flash, then Manual gives me the necessary amount of control. Point being, each mode has its uses, and I will switch based on what the situation needs. I also use an incident light meter to check the ambient/flash exposures, and I check the histograms to verify that I'm getting the detail I want. But once I've determined the appropriate exposure, there is no need to keep checking the histogram unless the light changes.
 
I see a lot of people shooting in manual just so they can say "hey look at how cool I am, I shoot in manual!" Kinda like people that struggle with Linux just so they can say they don't use Windows :sexywink:

But I do have a real question about this. If you're going to shoot in manual and tweak your settings to get your on-camera light meter right in the middle at the "standard exposure" mark, then why shoot in manual? Am I missing something? I'd really like to understand why people do it. If your goal is to get a standard exposure then why not shoot in one of the other modes?

It's more for creativity. In simple term I want to have more control of how the camera to capture light in various way. I can make it over or underexpose, drag the shutter to shoot great even harsh light conditions, or whatever you style you want. Shooting in other mode will get you the normal exposure the sensor THINKS you should take, but nothing else.
 
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It's quite easy for me to end up with the exact settings in M mode as in A. I just prefer using M when the lighting isn't going to change and I've metering on something in particular.

Otherwise in A I must meter it, press exposure lock, then recompose/focus and take to picture. I learned on a full manual camera and switching the settings in that manner work well for for me.

But otherwise, I was just kidding around in this thread. I do still want that shirt if Derrel was serious...
 
I see a lot of people shooting in manual just so they can say "hey look at how cool I am, I shoot in manual!" Kinda like people that struggle with Linux just so they can say they don't use Windows :sexywink:

But I do have a real question about this. If you're going to shoot in manual and tweak your settings to get your on-camera light meter right in the middle at the "standard exposure" mark, then why shoot in manual? Am I missing something? I'd really like to understand why people do it. If your goal is to get a standard exposure then why not shoot in one of the other modes?


First of all, an admission: after decades spent shooting in manual (including once AF was available) I now shoot mostly in auto. Why? My eyesight isn't what it once was and unless I'm tethered, I rely on the camera 55-60% of the time to "get it right" when it comes to focus and general exposure.

However, the "rest of the time" (the other 45-40%) I'm either on manual or I'm adjusting something (like aperture or exposure compensation or adding some fill flash).

Second, I think it makes sense to learn how to shoot in manual mostly for the reasons why it makes sense to learn how to drive a stick shift--b/c it means you learn how to operate your camera. That doesn't mean you then need to buy a standard shift car or only rent sticks. But you've got a capability that is useful.

Third, I trust the camera a lot but I trust my own experience and composition even more. Think of all the situations where autofocus goes batty or is too slow (like very low light)...the camera can't focus (or can't make up her mind what to focus on) but I know how and what I want the lens on so I focus manually. Or when you've got tough lighting (sun reflecting off of snow or a white beach, or a person in a white shirt next to some deep shadow) and you have to make the call as to what the picture is about b/c the camera can't. And this doesn't even get in to white balance settings (I NEVER shoot with AWB any more--AWB just eliminates the highlights and color extremes and I'm often drawn to a shot b/c of the extremes).

Think of it this way...if you have a zoom lens on your body, why would you ever zoom? Duh--sometimes it's a more compelling picture if you crop or zoom back--right? Well, the same with shooting manually. So to summarize, I don't always shoot manually but when I do, I shoot Dos Equis (oh wait, confused with a different message). In any case, when it comes to camera knowledge, stay thirsty my friend!
 
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Sometimes what your eye sees is not necessarily how the camera will take / shoot / record it....especially with particular light situations, depth of field, "contre-jour photography" ...you name it and then only the manual settings will help you with a tad of experience. Some people also prefer using analogiue film rolls rather than digital

I've never seen anyone making it sound as if they were so cool about using manual settings...except for manual shift cars maybe so that they can feel the engine bla bla bla bla but never in photography
 
Being a total newbie, I have spent a lot of time shooting in manual to understand the impact the exposure has on my photos. It has helped a lot to understand the underlying concepts
 
People shoot in Manual as a status thing? Really?
 
I shoot in Manual but I don't use the light meter as much as I just go off what my real time view looks like. It's pretty handy/quick. :mrgreen:
 
I teach a photography class called 'Using your DSLR' but it's really mostly about teaching the students how to shoot in manual mode.

Here is the main reasoning that I give the students as to why I think manual mode is better...

Firstly, after teaching them how to use manual mode and 'getting to zero', I teach them why getting to zero is not usually the correct exposure (reflected light meter etc.) I then teach them how to determine how to get a more accurate exposure via metering and often adjusting away from zero (or using a grey card etc.).
The key point that I try to impress upon them, is that we are using our metering techniques to work backward, to figure out the correct settings for the (incident) light that is hitting the scene, not the light that is reflecting off of it. So once they have the correct settings for a scene, being in manual mode locks that exposure into the camera and ensures that you will get a proper exposure (as long as your lighting doesn't change). So essentially, once they have determined the exposure value that they want to use, they can forget about exposure and concentrate on other things like focus, composition, interacting with their subject etc.

The next day of class (usually a week later), I teach them how to use aperture and shutter speed priority modes. Those modes, on their own, basically do the job of getting you to zero, which they now know is not all that useful, so then I teach them how to use exposure compensation.

But then I point out the main difference in how we would shoot in manual, vs how we would shoot in an priority (automatic) mode.
In manual, you might find a surface or object to meter off of, I use the example of snow, which is typically 1 2/3 or 2 stops brighter than middle grey. So you would meter on the snow, dial the exposure to 2 stops above zero. By doing that they have figured out proper exposure for the light that they are shooting with. So now they can shooting anything that might be in that light, a black dog, a person in a white coat, a purple-people-eater etc. They don't have to worry about exposure, because it was locked in correct for the light.

Now to compare that to how you would shoot in automatic. You meter on the snow and dial in +2 EC...but when you then point the camera at your black dog and press the shutter release button, the camera will re-meter, this time including the black dog...and thus your +2 EC will likely give you incorrect settings. The way to do this, of course, is to use AEL (auto exposure lock). You meter on the snow, lock the exposure, then shoot the black dog.

In in manual, you meter once, then don't need to think about exposure (unless the light changes).
In auto, you need to meter and lock the exposure before you take the shot...and every time you release the AEL button, you'll need to re-meter and re-lock, which means you're constantly thinking about exposure. So in that sense, the automatic modes are more work than manual mode.

But, I do also tell them that when you have a couple of criteria met, then it's a good idea to use an automatic mode. Those criteria are 'time constraint' and 'uneven lighting conditions'. So if you are shooting in a scenario where your lighting will be different from shot to shot, and at the same time, you don't have the couple seconds it takes to adjust the settings in manual.....then it's a good idea to use the automatic modes. Of course, you still need to use EC, but that is likely quicker than adjusting 6 stops of exposure in manual mode.

At the end of the day, it doesn't really matter what mode you shoot in. A shot taken at ISO 400, 1/125 and F8 will be exactly the same in any exposure mode.


And the whole point of this exercise is to get the student to understand exposure and how to 'read' different scenes, yes?
 
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