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slow231

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Photo 1, the story: so i recently joined the 70-200 club :D. had to drive about 3 hrs to get it, but i got a killer deal. Dragged the wife and kiddo along and took a walk through a local park where i snapped this:
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overcast day w/ no light modifiers (only took the body/lens with me), so the lighting could be better (any tips or advice on this would be appreciated since i almost never use them anyways). but the main idea was to try and use the railing as a leading line. I've never really been satisfied with the results of using leading lines for a people type photo, and i'm not quite satisfied with how it works here either. I usually like to get the lines to come from a corner (as much as possible) because otherwise it looks like it's just splitting the frame. but doing this makes the railing take up too much frame real estate imo. it doesn't help that the railing isn't the prettiest of leading lines either, but any way to make this work better? I'm pretty close to abandoning the idea for people photos, even when it's done right i just don't think it adds all that much. my eyes don't tend to really follow lines in a photo, my attention goes more toward brightness/darkness.

i'll take tips on posing too. i kind of know what i like after the fact, but don't really know how to pose subjects to begin with. I like the kiddo's expression and mamma's head tilt in this. The lean on the railing helps her look more comfortable/relaxed too (imo).

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just silly one. bumbos are dangerous! I'm still playing with the tilt, not sure it works perfectly here, but i like that it puts his head to toe on a diagonal across the frame. i don't think the wobbly feel hurts too much here since fits the subject.

and 3:
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i'm gonna put small version up so you guys don't laugh too much at me too much :lol:. but this was just completely confusing to me. i was going through and selecting shots to edit when i saw this. my gut reaction was i liked it, and i think that's because it's wrong in every way! the expression is bland, i cut off his head, he's looking off frame, it's landscape AND the background adds nothing and is way brighter... but all this just made it such an interesting photo to me.

I left the edit with him dark and with him looking off frame. i like that he looks like he's iced doing nothing (which he probably was) and is just staring incoherently at nothing (so maybe that's why off frame gaze works for me?). I like the contrast with the background (but it adds little else besides maybe some context and some negative space to the "wrong" side). but i feel like i'm reaching for reasons as to why i like it. it's obviously a technically weak photo, and if someone else showed me something similar, (even ignoring the technical "rules") i'd honestly feel that it's aesthetically weak because of the reasons stated... but for some damn reason i like this. maybe it's because i'm so use to picking out pictures where he's got some dramatic expression, lit way better, cropped better, composed better, that this being so different is just so endearing to me. anyways has anyone else ever gotten like that about a crappy photo?

and as usual cc on anything is fine with me.
 
Second shot makes me wonder where your priorities lie...
haha you know it. he gets out of that thing on purpose. i was shooting him messing with the dogs when he plotted another escape. so yeah i chuckled for a second when he got hung-up on the way out.
 
The pole in Number 1 is super distracting. That is all.
 
Second shot makes me wonder where your priorities lie...

Yea, I know it. The focus seems a little soft, and the model's short side could use a little more light. I do like the tilt though.
 
leading lines are the most sophomoric of all sophomoric composition tricks.
 
Second shot makes me wonder where your priorities lie...

Yea, I know it. The focus seems a little soft, and the model's short side could use a little more light. I do like the tilt though.

thanks. i agree it's soft. focus point was on his face but the house is pretty dark and i wasn't using any modifiers. shutter was 1/125, probably should have been faster.

The pole in Number 1 is super distracting. That is all.


leading lines are the most sophomoric of all sophomoric composition tricks.
duly noted. i've never liked how any of these have turned out. i'm done with leading lines.
 
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I have to agree. No self respecting artist, in history or present, would use those pesky compositional tools.
 
I have to agree. No self respecting artist, in history or present, would use those pesky compositional tools.
i'm assuming sarcasm here? don't get me wrong i like leading lines in other types of photos, especially those that are geometry heavy. but for people stuff i just find it too distracting and taking up too much of the frame. is there something else i should have tried for a shot like this? or is there some other situation I should be looking for when setting up this kind of shot? I never felt like i pulled it off. so i'm either completely incompetent at this technique or i don't have the eyes/mind for this type of thing. either way i'm open to hearing what makes this work for others.
 
Off topic, bumbos were recalled b/c of this issue. You and go online and get a free kit to make your have a seat buckle:)
 
I have no problem with leading lines or any other compositional tricks of the trade. I use them myself quite often. But in this particular shot there is too much handrail in the foreground and it, (to me) stands between me and the subject. It's distracting. Dont believe me ? try this... do a simple crop with the bottom edge right below the baby's foot and take a little off the left edge to make the margins between photo edge and subject equal on both sides. I think you'll find a great composition hidden in your shot just waiting to come out.


I prefer this crop

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I would try to get rid of a lot of the extra stuff and leave equal room on both sides of the head.
It looks like the baby's face was tilted forward and shadowed and thus darker than the mom's.
Maybe brighten that a bit.


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yes I was thinking the same with the crop! My son did that with his bumbo too! We never could use that stupid thing with him! I think the photo would be better without a crooked horizon. The baby is crooked, making the horizon crooked as well is just too much. Instead of seeing him falling out of the bumbo I see him doing some weird body handstand.

In #3 he has a weird half blink stare going on, and the mess in the background just seems like clutter. Plus as you mentioned, he his underexposed and chopped off all over. Sure there are times when you fall in love with an imperfect photo but there is a reason for it. A look you never want to forget, for example. If it were me, I would let this last one go.
 
I think both these crops work way better in terms of cutting thr size of the rail. I think though if I were to redo, id take a step to the left and cut out the rail that way. Then I'd still have a fuller body shot but without the rail. The thing is then it just becomes a shot w her leaning on a rail and no longer a "leading lines" type of shot. I'd be fine with that but it just not a shot utilizing the composition rule I was trying to exploit.
 
oh and i already have a handle on the bumbo situation...
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patents pending.
 

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