Rules on street photography

[Ballistics]

So, you were "acting suspiciously", not just taking photos? And of course, you provided identification even when it was not necessary? And of course you could have walked away any time while he was contacting his superior? And of course, a federal courthouse is still a public place until you are told that unless you leave then you are trespassing. And you know that an officer is NOT within his rights to question you until he has arrested you for trespassing,...which was not possible since the officer did NOT follow proper procedure related to trespassing.

So, you obviously are not even aware of your rights.

skieur

And what exactly is the "proper procedure" for trespassing? And you do know that there is a difference between arrest and detainment, right? Also, another important factor here is that I was on the clock and representing my employer. Certainly a professional like yourself would understand that.

First, trespassing is a civil, not a criminal offence,

skieur

Trespassing on federal property is not a crime. Interesting. Go on.

In a public place, which includes federal buildings

Federal property, is a public place. Intriguing. I'm still listening

In other words, you need to be told to leave, and REFUSE to do so, in order for TRESPASSING to have occured.

Ignorance is an excuse. Roger that.

"I'm sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that."

 

[Steve5D]

Also, keep this old adage in mind: Just because you can doesn't mean you should. If someone tells you they'd like you to not take your picture, move along...

 

[gsgary]

Also, keep this old adage in mind: Just because you can doesn't mean you should. If someone tells you they'd like you to not take your picture, move along...

No press the shutter you could get a good shot, nobody tells me what i can or connot shoot

 

[manaheim]

Case study for the sake of discussion - the popparazzi are EVERYWHERE. They take pictures/video to sell. Pretty sure they don't ever get releases from the stars/wannabe's that they shoot. If the subjects do sign a release, they are crazy for willingly allowing that to be put out there. But it's definitely not an advertisement for any product (except maybe indirectly for AA, Narcanon, etc.) If there was grounds for prevention of the sale of those photos/videos, pretty sure some of Hollywood would have stood on it by now.

IIRC there is something in particular about stars where using their person falls within "accepatble use" or something like that.

I am not a lawyer nor do I play one on TV.

Oh, and this topic has been discussed 12 million times. Just sayin'.

 

[manaheim]

Also, keep this old adage in mind: Just because you can doesn't mean you should. If someone tells you they'd like you to not take your picture, move along...

mmm... yeah no. Well, not necessarily.

I mean, I applaud you for being good about respecting people's wishes, but you're going to miss out on capturing life, and that is sort of a big part of what us photographer's do.

 

[lisaf]

I ended up in photos in a local paper twice. The first time I was part of a large group shot of a crowd at a transit hearing. No one asked our names or anything, but there were a lot of us. The 2nd was on a line for a bus on a very cold day. There were between 5-10 of us. The photographer did ask for our names, but no one wanted to give them, so they ran it without names. No one asked us to sign releases. It was 4 degrees out, we had scarves across our faces and hoods up to stay warm, so I don't think anyone could have identified us anyway, lol

 

[skieur]

And what exactly is the "proper procedure" for trespassing? And you do know that there is a difference between arrest and detainment, right? Also, another important factor here is that I was on the clock and representing my employer. Certainly a professional like yourself would understand that.

First, trespassing is a civil, not a criminal offence,

skieur

Trespassing on federal property is not a crime. Interesting. Go on.

In a public place, which includes federal buildings

Federal property, is a public place. Intriguing. I'm still listening

In other words, you need to be told to leave, and REFUSE to do so, in order for TRESPASSING to have occured.

Ignorance is an excuse. Roger that.

"I'm sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that."

Are you trying to be funny with this post or just ignorant?

You have never been in a federal or state building to pay your taxes? I have.
You have never been on federal, state or municipal property to take pictures of the Statue of Liberty or other famous monuments? I have.
You have never been in a federal, state or municipal building to renew your driver's license? I have
You have never been in a federal, state, or municipal building to secure the required forms for pensions, unemployment or other benefits?

IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN A FEDERAL, STATE, OR MUNICIPAL building for any reason then it is a public place unless you indulged in breaking and entering to do business, fill out a form, or secure a service.

skieur

 

[Ballistics]

Is it "take comments out of context" day?

I've been in charge of the security of federal property.
Go on and tell me how all of those places are public property. Or how anything you just said is relevant.

Also, Dig up another month old post to instigate a fight.

Open to the public =/= public space.

 

[unpopular]

First, trespassing is a civil, not a criminal offence,

skieur

Trespassing on federal property is not a crime. Interesting. Go on.



Federal property, is a public place. Intriguing. I'm still listening

In other words, you need to be told to leave, and REFUSE to do so, in order for TRESPASSING to have occured.

Ignorance is an excuse. Roger that.

"I'm sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that."

Are you trying to be funny with this post or just ignorant?

You have never been in a federal or state building to pay your taxes? I have.
You have never been on federal, state or municipal property to take pictures of the Statue of Liberty or other famous monuments? I have.
You have never been in a federal, state or municipal building to renew your driver's license? I have
You have never been in a federal, state, or municipal building to secure the required forms for pensions, unemployment or other benefits?

IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN A FEDERAL, STATE, OR MUNICIPAL building for any reason then it is a public place unless you indulged in breaking and entering to do business, fill out a form, or secure a service.

skieur

If I invite you over, Skieur, you're not trespassing. If you go into a store and buying stuff, you're not trespassing.

If you come onto my front porch at 3:00AM when nobody would have any business being on my front porch and snap a bunch of pictures - you are trespassing, and I can ask you what your business is, I can ask you to leave, and I can call the police and they can detain you in order to figure out wtf you were doing.

Courthouses are not parks, you can't just waltz in and do whatever you want.

 

[skieur]

Is it "take comments out of context" day?

I've been in charge of the security of federal property.
Go on and tell me how all of those places are public property. Or how anything you just said is relevant.

Also, Dig up another month old post to instigate a fight.

Open to the public =/= public space.

Well, you don't know american law, so perhaps that is why security guards are often accused of abusing the rights of citizens. The US Supreme court in a case involving Sony several years ago defined a public place "as a place that is open to the general public" and not necessarily public property.

So you are not trespassing in a "public place" unless you are told so, by a representative of the owner. (That is US law).

Only if you refuse to leave at that point, are you trespassing. (Again this is US law)

Trying doing some research.

skieur

 

[skieur]

Trespassing on federal property is not a crime. Interesting. Go on.



Federal property, is a public place. Intriguing. I'm still listening



Ignorance is an excuse. Roger that.

"I'm sorry officer, I didn't know I couldn't do that."

Are you trying to be funny with this post or just ignorant?

You have never been in a federal or state building to pay your taxes? I have.
You have never been on federal, state or municipal property to take pictures of the Statue of Liberty or other famous monuments? I have.
You have never been in a federal, state or municipal building to renew your driver's license? I have
You have never been in a federal, state, or municipal building to secure the required forms for pensions, unemployment or other benefits?

IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN A FEDERAL, STATE, OR MUNICIPAL building for any reason then it is a public place unless you indulged in breaking and entering to do business, fill out a form, or secure a service.

skieur

If I invite you over, Skieur, you're not trespassing. If you go into a store and buying stuff, you're not trespassing.

If you come onto my front porch at 3:00AM when nobody would have any business being on my front porch and snap a bunch of pictures - you are trespassing, and I can ask you what your business is, I can ask you to leave, and I can call the police and they can detain you in order to figure out wtf you were doing.

Courthouses are not parks, you can't just waltz in and do whatever you want.

Boy, you are really mixing up 2 very different cases by introducing something NEW.

Your front porch is not a public place so of course you can ask someone to leave, and even use appropriate force to force them to leave. If they resist that appropriate force then the trespasser can be charged with assault. In some states, you may even legally detain the trespasser until the police arrive.

Courthouses may not be parks, but most trials are open to the public which means that the public can "waltz in" so-to-speak.

skieur

 

[Ballistics]

Are you trying to be funny with this post or just ignorant?

You have never been in a federal or state building to pay your taxes? I have.
You have never been on federal, state or municipal property to take pictures of the Statue of Liberty or other famous monuments? I have.
You have never been in a federal, state or municipal building to renew your driver's license? I have
You have never been in a federal, state, or municipal building to secure the required forms for pensions, unemployment or other benefits?

IF YOU HAVE BEEN IN A FEDERAL, STATE, OR MUNICIPAL building for any reason then it is a public place unless you indulged in breaking and entering to do business, fill out a form, or secure a service.

skieur

If I invite you over, Skieur, you're not trespassing. If you go into a store and buying stuff, you're not trespassing.

If you come onto my front porch at 3:00AM when nobody would have any business being on my front porch and snap a bunch of pictures - you are trespassing, and I can ask you what your business is, I can ask you to leave, and I can call the police and they can detain you in order to figure out wtf you were doing.

Courthouses are not parks, you can't just waltz in and do whatever you want.

Boy, you are really mixing up 2 very different cases by introducing something NEW.

Your front porch is not a public place so of course you can ask someone to leave, and even use appropriate force to force them to leave. If they resist that appropriate force then the trespasser can be charged with assault. In some states, you may even legally detain the trespasser until the police arrive.

Courthouses may not be parks, but most trials are open to the public which means that the public can "waltz in" so-to-speak.

skieur

Public space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The public can "waltz in" to pretty much any place that allows them to do so. Doesn't make that space restriction free.

 

[skieur]

If I invite you over, Skieur, you're not trespassing. If you go into a store and buying stuff, you're not trespassing.

If you come onto my front porch at 3:00AM when nobody would have any business being on my front porch and snap a bunch of pictures - you are trespassing, and I can ask you what your business is, I can ask you to leave, and I can call the police and they can detain you in order to figure out wtf you were doing.

Courthouses are not parks, you can't just waltz in and do whatever you want.

Boy, you are really mixing up 2 very different cases by introducing something NEW.

Your front porch is not a public place so of course you can ask someone to leave, and even use appropriate force to force them to leave. If they resist that appropriate force then the trespasser can be charged with assault. In some states, you may even legally detain the trespasser until the police arrive.

Courthouses may not be parks, but most trials are open to the public which means that the public can "waltz in" so-to-speak.

skieur

Public space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The public can "waltz in" to pretty much any place that allows them to do so. Doesn't make that space restriction free.

Wikipedia is not even a reliable source of information in any historical, archeological, or scientific field, let alone anything that is legal in nature.

skieur

 

[Ballistics]

Is it "take comments out of context" day?

I've been in charge of the security of federal property.
Go on and tell me how all of those places are public property. Or how anything you just said is relevant.

Also, Dig up another month old post to instigate a fight.

Open to the public =/= public space.

Well, you don't know american law, so perhaps that is why security guards are often accused of abusing the rights of citizens. The US Supreme court in a case involving Sony several years ago defined a public place "as a place that is open to the general public" and not necessarily public property.

So you are not trespassing in a "public place" unless you are told so, by a representative of the owner. (That is US law).

Only if you refuse to leave at that point, are you trespassing. (Again this is US law)

Trying doing some research.

skieur

Pretty versed on my authority being a sentry on a military base.

It has nothing to do with receiving a verbal command to leave.

 

[Ballistics]

Boy, you are really mixing up 2 very different cases by introducing something NEW.

Your front porch is not a public place so of course you can ask someone to leave, and even use appropriate force to force them to leave. If they resist that appropriate force then the trespasser can be charged with assault. In some states, you may even legally detain the trespasser until the police arrive.

Courthouses may not be parks, but most trials are open to the public which means that the public can "waltz in" so-to-speak.

skieur

Public space - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The public can "waltz in" to pretty much any place that allows them to do so. Doesn't make that space restriction free.

Wikipedia is not even a reliable source of information in any historical, archeological, or scientific field, let alone anything that is legal in nature.

skieur

So let's see your reference that says you are not trespassing unless you are told to leave. I'm waiting.