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I was thinking of upgrading someday to the d700 but I was also wondering if there are any canon equivalents. The salesmen at londondrugs told me nikon is a better choice. I have also noticed many people here like nikon better after owning both brands. What makes nikon better, is it variety, quality or something i dont know?
 
It just depends what your going for. I use canon, and i love it. Might not ever switch to nikon, but it could of easily been the other way around. See what im saying.

If you gonna be shooting a lower level crop cam, you should go with nikon, the d7000 is a little bit higher up in the foodchain though. Great camera, its in the same league as the canon 7d, which will probably be my next camera.

The d700 is an older full-frame camera, but its still very capable of taking great pictures, dont let people try and fool you with megapixel counts either.
 
Engineering at Nikon is different from Canon. The "ethos" of Nikon's upper-end cameras is vastly different from that of Canon cameras. Why do you think four out of five of the editors of Popular Photography & Imaging magazine say they prefer Nikon d-slr camera ergonomics to those of Canon d-slr cameras? Canon does some really stupid things, since it designs a lot of its cameras to be used by newbs and what designers smugly refer to as "end-users". Canon uses a camera control interface where four buttons are each assigned two, different control functions. So, eight functions, spread over four buttons--admittedly, a LOUSY DESIGN INTERFACE, but it was the only thing they could come up when they had to slap the EOS system together in a hurry.

When your most-critical controls, lens aperture and f/stop, yo-yo back and forth between two different control wheels,depending on which exposure metering mode the camera is in, you realize that the designers at Canon suck. When you try and focus stopped down, by hand (an advanced user method) and use the depth of field plunger on a Canon and can NOT reach it because your left hand is supposed to press the plunger, and then see how a Nikon uses the UN-OCCUPIED middle finger of the right hand to actuate the same control, you'll understand just one reason Nikon's ergonomics are considered superior to Canon's.

When you use a camera in full darkness, like to shoot fireworks or to do light painting, you will appreciate the fact that Nikon keeps the shutter speed control and the aperture control and the self-timer control all separated and on their own, dedicated controls that NEVER VARY. When you pick up a Nikon, you can see what it is set to, even if it is OFF. Basically, Nikon is designed by photographers, for real photographers who have an idea of how a camera ought to be engineered for real-world use. Canon OTOH, is designed by engineers who expect that the cameras will be used on auto-pilot by "end-users". Nikon tends to break camera control functions down into separate,dedicated buttons and switches, where Canon has gone with the multi-mode buttons and menus system that they half-assed back when they rushed the EOS system to market, and developed an ALL-new, never-tested interface method in a year and a half, and had to stick with it. When you f()C& over your entire user base,and make ALL their gear useless, you need to stick with the new system, and so that is what Canon did. Nikon OTOH, approached the transition to "electronics" much more slowly, with a MECHANICAL control interface (ie, shutter speed dial and f/stops on the lenses) for the first few generations, slowly trying to figure out the best way to move to all all-electronic camera and AF system with the least disruption in the user base's preferences and habits, and without making any critical mistakes, like Canon did with the 4x2 and yo-yo control system and the left-handed DOF preview button and the whacked self timer/single/continuous motor drive mess of the EOS system. EOS sprang out of the ground fully formed...Nikon has "evolved" slowly, with better engineering over many decades of refinement.

As to the D700...it's a professional-level camera body, with Nikon's TOP AF system and TOP metering system, but in a $2,700 body. It has the same AF and metering system of the flagship Nikon bodies. Canon's 5D-Mark II is a $389 EOS Elan body basically, with cheap sub-systems, and an excellent sensor. The D700 continues a long Nikon tradition of having the "advanced amateur" camera (ie, the Nikkormat EL, the Nikon FE, the Nikon FE-2, the Nikon N8008s, the Nikon N90s) being every bit as capable, or around 90 percent as capable, as the then-current "flagship" body, at a much,much lower price. Canon does not take that same approach, instead forcing you to pay $4899 or whatever, if you want a professional camera, with the"advanced amateur" Canon always being a crippled or stripped down model. Canon 's "crippled" original Rebel was a good example of Canon's corporate ethos--deliberately refuse to enable,in software, features that the higher-end cameras had!!! The famous Russian Hack to bring the original Rebel up to par was a good example of Canon deliberately forcing customers to spend more to get features that SHOULD and COULD have been included on a $1,000 camera body,and instead forcing users into the $1799 camera one model up! Canon is still screwing over its users with the 5D Mark II, with its primitive feature set, while Nikon is making what would be basically, a 1D-series Canon body in the D700, and selling it for $2,000 less. A different ethos, indeed.
 
Derrel I'm not going to pretend to know everything your are talking bout but if what you say is true then why is it the majority of pro sports photagraphers I see on the side lines of the fields are using Cannon lenses. This is just my opinion then again Cannon and Nikon thing is like Mac and PC...... Everyone has their own taste and choice.
 
Engineering at Nikon is different from Canon. The "ethos" of Nikon's upper-end cameras is vastly different from that of Canon cameras. Why do you think four out of five of the editors of Popular Photography & Imaging magazine say they prefer Nikon d-slr camera ergonomics to those of Canon d-slr cameras? Canon does some really stupid things, since it designs a lot of its cameras to be used by newbs and what designers smugly refer to as "end-users". Canon uses a camera control interface where four buttons are each assigned two, different control functions. So, eight functions, spread over four buttons--admittedly, a LOUSY DESIGN INTERFACE, but it was the only thing they could come up when they had to slap the EOS system together in a hurry.

When your most-critical controls, lens aperture and f/stop, yo-yo back and forth between two different control wheels,depending on which exposure metering mode the camera is in, you realize that the designers at Canon suck. When you try and focus stopped down, by hand (an advanced user method) and use the depth of field plunger on a Canon and can NOT reach it because your left hand is supposed to press the plunger, and then see how a Nikon uses the UN-OCCUPIED middle finger of the right hand to actuate the same control, you'll understand just one reason Nikon's ergonomics are considered superior to Canon's.

I've used Canon bodies 3-4 times for periods ranging from a couple hours to a whole day... unfortunately I've never been able to articulate my reactions to the experience this well, because I just don't have enough experience to either a> remember every detail, or b> be certain it wasn't just me losing my mind because I was doing something I wasn't as familar with... however... this is pretty much exactly what I felt like after using the Canons.

They make NO sense.
 
Nikon is a better camera? Yes
Nikon is a better company? No
 
The obvious competitor is the 5d MK ii which is virtually the same price as the d700.

Reasons to choose the nikon:
-Slightly better ISO performance
-Much better focus system
-5fps continuous shooting vs 3.9 of the mk ii
-slightly better dynamic range

Reasons to choose the canon
-Shoots HD video
-8.9 more megapixels
-slightly better viewfinder coverage
-slightly better colour depth
-slightly lighter and smaller

I personally would definitely go with the canon because I rarely use auto-focus anyway and video mode and extra megapixels would be a very nice perk for me. I could easily see someone who shoots sports choosing the d700 for better auto-focus and faster rapid fire. It's really just personal preference.

I find that a lot of nikon enthusiasts nit pick tiny details and make it sound like the end of the world. It's true that canon did abandon their old lens system which made a lot of canon users angry, but I don't see how that's a relevant issue for someone buying a new camera today.

It also is possible to press the DOF button with your thumb while focusing with your left index finger (not that hard) but i can see the nikon advantage here. Not nearly enough of an issue to choose nikon over canon though.

One thing I dislike about nikon is that there is a manual/autofocus adjustment knob on the camera and the lens. Once again not a reason to choose one company over the other.
 
Wouldn't you know it. The #1 overwhelming best seller is always the inferior product.

"In the market for cameras with interchangeable lens, or single lens reflex cameras, Canon controlled 44.5 percent of the market, followed by Nikon with 29.8 percent and Sony with 11.9 percent, according to the data." from Bloomberg: Sony, Nikon Narrow Gap to Canon With New Digital Camera Models - Bloomberg
 
Derrel I'm not going to pretend to know everything your are talking bout but if what you say is true then why is it the majority of pro sports photagraphers I see on the side lines of the fields are using Cannon lenses.
Because your perception is skewed by Canon's white lenses. Nikon's black lenses just aren't as promenent. At most professional sporting events the mix is always very close to 50% Canon/50% Nikon.

The fact is, more top pro sport shooters shoot with Nikon gear, for all the reasons Derrel outlined above..
 
Wouldn't you know it. The #1 overwhelming best seller is always the inferior product.

"In the market for cameras with interchangeable lens, or single lens reflex cameras, Canon controlled 44.5 percent of the market, followed by Nikon with 29.8 percent and Sony with 11.9 percent, according to the data." from Bloomberg: Sony, Nikon Narrow Gap to Canon With New Digital Camera Models - Bloomberg
Most consumers are not all that well informed technically, and tend to buy based mostly on brand name recognition, not by buying the best made, best designed product for their intended use.

Canon is a much larger corporation than Nikon, and Canon makes a broader range of non-camera products that can foster brand name recognition. For instance Canon makes more business machines, like copiers, than Nikon does. It is also possible Canon spends siginificantly more on marketing, and/or targets it's marketing at a more common demographic .

So yes, it often happens that a best selling product is an inferior product when compared to most of it's competitors.
 
Keith thanks for the insight but I still feel that while Nikon has the better bodies Canon has better glass....this is IMO.....now i wouldn't say Nikon has a smaller marketing plan. Over here in Japan home country of both companies. It will be seem Nikon would be larger than Canon by marketing alone.
 
Most consumers are not all that well informed technically, and tend to buy based mostly on brand name recognition, not by buying the best made, best designed product for their intended use.............


Reminds me of the old film days, when it was revealed that Kodak's largest single expense was advertising! And they truly succeeded in massive sales, despite the presence of better films.
 
Keith thanks for the insight but I still feel that while Nikon has the better bodies Canon has better glass....this is IMO.....
What you 'feel.....Canon has better glass...this is IMO', differs from what the tech wizards measure empirically.
 
Why is it always just Nikon and Cannon??? For the love of god there are other cameras people!!!! :lmao: Personally if I were to ever switch brands (unlikely) I would go with Sony.
 
I find Canon cameras more intuitive. I've used both brands extensively and I actually do like the button placement and such on the Canon models. I can access all of my main controls without taking my eye away from the viewfinder and I can do it all quickly. Nikon isn't more difficult, but I have to think about where things are or how to access them. It's personal preference, but I guess that's the point.

And Keith, as for "empirical" evidence, it's still personal preference. Some people might like the way a barrel distorts or the type of lighting it lets in...if not then Tilt-shift lenses would never have sold at all. They're horrible lenses with terrible design...and yet they sell like hot cakes.

Point is, it's stupid to talk purely about facts...there are a lot of Canon models that are superior to their Nikon counterparts just like there are a lot of Nikon bodies that are superior to their Canon counterparts. Both companies make great hardware and as long as you do some testing you'll most likely be happy with either company (because they both have a *LOT* to offer)
 

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