Southern Bikini Girl

[jwbryson1]

FotoForensics - Analysis

Very interesting, but...what does this tell us? I'm a complete NOOB at this.

 

[o hey tyler]

Look at the shadows of the leaves left of her face, and look at the shadows on the right side of the girl, especially around her hand-on-the-branch, but generally as well (camera left/right in both cases) and tell me where the speedlite is?

Speedlight is on the camera. Camera is portrait oriented. Shadows don't stray far from what's casting them, and the catchlights are in the middle of her eyes indicating the flash was placed close to the lens axis.

 

[o hey tyler]

FotoForensics - Analysis

Very interesting, but...what does this tell us? I'm a complete NOOB at this.

Basically it shows that this wasn't a composite. Or else the ELA values of her and the tree would vary dramatically. Which they don't. There are case studies you can view if you click on the tutorial link at the bottom.

 

[amolitor]

Look at the shadows of the leaves left of her face, and look at the shadows on the right side of the girl, especially around her hand-on-the-branch, but generally as well (camera left/right in both cases) and tell me where the speedlite is?

Speedlight is on the camera. Camera is portrait oriented. Shadows don't stray far from what's casting them, and the catchlights are in the middle of her eyes indicating the flash was placed close to the lens axis.

That's what I am seeing for the light on the girl too, except for those leaves, which suggest an undiffused light camera left. Am I seeing this wrong?

 

[o hey tyler]

Look at the shadows of the leaves left of her face, and look at the shadows on the right side of the girl, especially around her hand-on-the-branch, but generally as well (camera left/right in both cases) and tell me where the speedlite is?

Speedlight is on the camera. Camera is portrait oriented. Shadows don't stray far from what's casting them, and the catchlights are in the middle of her eyes indicating the flash was placed close to the lens axis.

That's what I am seeing for the light on the girl too, except for those leaves, which suggest an undiffused light camera left. Am I seeing this wrong?

The speedlight is to the left of the camera, it's in portrait orientation. You're seeing it correctly, but you're interpreting it incorrectly.

 

[Derrel]

amolitor, that sheet of stickers you found inside that old Cal-Berkley math book from the 1980's...you know the old book you bought at the flea market last week...you didn't lick one of those stickers and put it on any outgoing mail this morning, did you?

 

[amolitor]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Gotcha. Thanks!

I think that the chin shadow, say, ought to be at least as pronounced as the leaf shadows, but maybe the photographer just went a little nuts painting them out.

 

[Buckster]

Look at the shadows of the leaves left of her face, and look at the shadows on the right side of the girl, especially around her hand-on-the-branch, but generally as well (camera left/right in both cases) and tell me where the speedlite is?

Speedlight is on the camera. Camera is portrait oriented. Shadows don't stray far from what's casting them, and the catchlights are in the middle of her eyes indicating the flash was placed close to the lens axis.

That's what I am seeing for the light on the girl too, except for those leaves, which suggest an undiffused light camera left. Am I seeing this wrong?

It's slightly camera left because it's on the camera and the camera is turned counter-clockwise to portrait orientation.

I'm thinking it's probably not even a speedlight, but an on-board flash, putting it even closer to the lens axis. The lack of shadow on the branch under the hand is to be expected with such lighting, as close as those fingers are, gripping the branch like that. The shadows to the left of her head are because the twigs causing the shadows are further from the trunk they're casting the shadows on.

 

[Buckster]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Gotcha. Thanks!

I think that the chin shadow, say, ought to be at least as pronounced as the leaf shadows, but maybe the photographer just went a little nuts painting them out.

Or maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.

 

[frommrstomommy]

cool site! and buckster, without sounding like a jerk.. id really like to see these said composite skills of yours on hair.. lol

 

[jamesbjenkins]

I don't know why we had a 20 post commentary on whether it's a composite image or not when the flash and color balance are so off.

O.P., a word of friendly advice when you're trying to balance fill flash with a bright ambient source like a setting sun. You need to understand what settings control which light. Generally speaking, the aperture controls the intensity of the flash and the shutter speed the intensity of the ambient. you may want to consider gelling your flash when the ambient is as warm as this image. This image as it was shot is just about impossible to fix in post with regard to the color balance of the flash.

 

[amolitor]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Gotcha. Thanks!

I think that the chin shadow, say, ought to be at least as pronounced as the leaf shadows, but maybe the photographer just went a little nuts painting them out.

Or maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.

Has this a point, or are you simply being insulting again?

 

[Buckster]

cool site! and buckster, without sounding like a jerk.. id really like to see these said composite skills of yours on hair.. lol

Sounds like a fun challenge, and I gladly accept.

I won't further derail this thread with it, but will put something together, post a new thread in the "Graphics Programs and Photo Gallery" forum, and then PM you with a link to it.

 

[Buckster]

Oh, I see what you're saying. Gotcha. Thanks!

I think that the chin shadow, say, ought to be at least as pronounced as the leaf shadows, but maybe the photographer just went a little nuts painting them out.

Or maybe you just don't know what you're talking about.

Has this a point, or are you simply being insulting again?

Just putting forth an alternate theory.

 

[Memorylanephotos]

Ok I'll try and go through the steps. I handheld this shot using a canon 50d with a speedlight attached in TTL mode. I underexposed the flash as not to overpower it with too much light. This was shot in RAW. The after process I used was to spot sharpen the image and to adjust the highlights down and the shadows up. I am not a pro by any means so I hope you understand what I am trying to say here. I don't know about what you guys think, but for some reason it works for me big time and really sells prints life crazy.

Another One here processed the same way.
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