Strangest lens you've seen on an EOS body?

[ThinBlueLine]

the D800 feels like a toy compared to a hasselblad.
and the hassy will hold its value better.
if you only compare image quality, and nothing else, then you really arent doing a very good comparison.

If not image quality, than what else do you compare?
I don't think the analogy of car vs car applies here for the simple fact that you can get the exact same features and reliability in a vehicle and still pay thousands because you're paying for name and status.

 

[ThinBlueLine]

its all relative to how much money you have, and how much you want to spend.
a $100k Porsche and $2mil Bugatti will both get you somewhere really fast, but some people still justify the price difference.
craftmanship plays a part as well. if you have never held a hasselblad, its hard to explain.

the average person wont be able to tell the difference in images between a D600 and a D800...but people buy the D800 anyway and spend twice the money.

I can see the differences in the cars because i know what goes into making them, i just cant see it in these cameras. Here is a video i found where they do a comparison:

Good video. Definitely informative.

With fairness, that particular camera isn't $40k. I believe it could be had right now for around $12-14k

 

[hamlet]

the D800 feels like a toy compared to a hasselblad.
and the hassy will hold its value better.
if you only compare image quality, and nothing else, then you really arent doing a very good comparison.

To me there could be something to this, but it also feels like you are rating it highly because of the price. These is an article i read about this some time ago: link

you have it backwards. its priced like it is because of its ratings.
part of it might be name....but people still buy BMW, Mercedes, and Porsches even though a ford and a chevy will get you where you need to go too.
performance is about diminishing returns...double the price doesnt always mean double the performance. is 10% improvement worth twice the money? to some people it is, so they pay it. same with cars, boats, cameras...you name it.

i can pretty much guarantee one thing tho...if you really want to get down to pixel peeping at max resolution blown up to huge sizes....the hassy with a digiback will win.
those that feel it is worth the money, pay for it.

I understand that you pay a premium price for that extra little bit of performance. My objection is simply that you folks are blowing things out of proportion when comparing it to a dslr, it just doesn't warrant that type of reaction. So that is why i pointed to that article that explains that people can fool themselves into thinking something is that much greater than it really is. Even in that video above, the people were kind of impressed with how well the d800 did and they were kind of uneasy with how little the differences were and that it didn't meet their expectations.

 

[D-B-J]

the D800 feels like a toy compared to a hasselblad.
and the hassy will hold its value better.
if you only compare image quality, and nothing else, then you really arent doing a very good comparison.

If not image quality, than what else do you compare?
I don't think the analogy of car vs car applies here for the simple fact that you can get the exact same features and reliability in a vehicle and still pay thousands because you're paying for name and status.

Dynamic range, compatibility to shoot tethered, ease of use, ability to attain certain shallow DOF's, ergonomics, resolution, etc. And you can get a 500HP engine in a $15,000 car? Just like you can get a 60mp sensor in a $4000 camera body? I'm not so sure I agree...

 

[pixmedic]

the D800 feels like a toy compared to a hasselblad.
and the hassy will hold its value better.
if you only compare image quality, and nothing else, then you really arent doing a very good comparison.

If not image quality, than what else do you compare?
I don't think the analogy of car vs car applies here for the simple fact that you can get the exact same features and reliability in a vehicle and still pay thousands because you're paying for name and status.

have you seen the features and performance offered in the new BMW and Mercedes cars? amazing.
what other cars offer hand sewn italian leather interiors? hand crafted (insert expensive wood here) interior trim?
yea, you pay for the name...and status...but theres a reason those cars are status symbols, and it isn't simply the price.
otherwise, ford would simply price their new taurus at $140k ...and noone is paying six figures for a ford taurus.

Cameras are similar. and there's lots else to compare besides image quality. image quality is only one part. its like only comparing top mph in cars.
there's camera build, control features, buffer size, FPS, pixel size, (D800 is still only 35mm size, NOT actually medium format)
sure...your paying for the name. and status. but theres a reason hasselblad is a status symbol...and it isn't just the prices.

I personally could not justify the money on a digiback when a far cheaper camera will do what I need....
but like i said...under controlled conditions, most people couldn't tell the difference in pictures taken with a D600 vs a D800.

 

[ThinBlueLine]

the D800 feels like a toy compared to a hasselblad.
and the hassy will hold its value better.
if you only compare image quality, and nothing else, then you really arent doing a very good comparison.

If not image quality, than what else do you compare?
I don't think the analogy of car vs car applies here for the simple fact that you can get the exact same features and reliability in a vehicle and still pay thousands because you're paying for name and status.

Dynamic range, ability to attain certain shallow DOF's, resolution

All a part of image quality.

compatibility to shoot tethered, ease of use, , ergonomics, , etc

.
They all tether now.
I'd argue against ease of use, and tethering due to the fact that all cameras released recently pretty much operate identically.
I've gone from the D800 to a Hassy to a D7000 to a Canon 5dIII with minimal learning curve. (And I think ergonomics are probably the last thing to be considered.)

And you can get a 500HP engine in a $15,000 car?

Very easily so actually.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m6007z427frt/overview/

Just like you can get a 60mp sensor in a $4000 camera body? I'm not so sure I agree...

But that's a different argument altogether. Two different sensors. Medium format vs 35mm.

 

[ThinBlueLine]

the D800 feels like a toy compared to a hasselblad.
and the hassy will hold its value better.
if you only compare image quality, and nothing else, then you really arent doing a very good comparison.

If not image quality, than what else do you compare?
I don't think the analogy of car vs car applies here for the simple fact that you can get the exact same features and reliability in a vehicle and still pay thousands because you're paying for name and status.

have you seen the features and performance offered in the new BMW and Mercedes cars? amazing.
what other cars offer hand sewn italian leather interiors? hand crafted (insert expensive wood here) interior trim?
yea, you pay for the name...and status...but theres a reason those cars are status symbols, and it isn't simply the price.
otherwise, ford would simply price their new taurus at $140k ...and noone is paying six figures for a ford taurus.

Cameras are similar. and there's lots else to compare besides image quality. image quality is only one part. its like only comparing top mph in cars.
there's camera build, control features, buffer size, FPS, pixel size, (D800 is still only 35mm size, NOT actually medium format)
sure...your paying for the name. and status. but theres a reason hasselblad is a status symbol...and it isn't just the prices.

I personally could not justify the money on a digiback when a far cheaper camera will do what I need....
but like i said...under controlled conditions, most people couldn't tell the difference in pictures taken with a D600 vs a D800.

I think you're taking me more literally than you should, there's clearly other things to compare. But at the end of the comparison, are you going
to take the camera with the better image quality? Or bigger pixels and better build quality?

As for the car comparison again, Ford doesn't offer those features of a high end luxury car.
But if you compare a Mercedes with identical features to a Ford Taurus, you will pay more for the Mercedes.
This is also for the sport of argument, and doesn't really benefit the discussion.

 

[drmoreau]

Okay...so about those strange lenses on an EOS body

 

[table1349]

the D800 feels like a toy compared to a hasselblad.
and the hassy will hold its value better.
if you only compare image quality, and nothing else, then you really arent doing a very good comparison.

To me there could be something to this, but it also feels like you are rating it highly because of the price. These is an article i read about this some time ago: link

Camera Type: H5D-50c

• Sensor Type: 50 Megapixels CMOS (8272 x 6200, 5.3 × 5.3 μm)
• Sensor Dimensions: 32.9 x 43.8mm
  
• Color Definition: 16 bit
  
• Dynamic Range: 14 f stops
  

D800

• Effective Pixels 36.3 million 7,360 x 4,912
• Sensor Size 35.9 mm x 24 mm
• Color Definition: 12 or 14 bit
• Dynamic Range: 11.4 f stops.
  

 

[tirediron]

Okay...so about those strange lenses on an EOS body

This! ^^

 

[astroNikon]

So I'm guessing all the detractors shoot with Pentax. Great performance/features at a lower price point. Who needs Canon/Nikon et all

 

[Overread]

Somewhere out there there's a video of a Hassy being stood on by an elephant - the Hassy survived and continued shooting.

 

[runnah]

Somewhere out there there's a video of a Hassy being stood on by an elephant - the Hassy survived and continued shooting.

Little known fact, elephants hate medium format.

 

[Dao]

As for strange lens, I think the Nikon 6mm f/2.8 lens is an EXTREMELY strange looking lens.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rwh6NmCL9...00/Nikon_Fisheye_Nikkor_6mm_f_2.8_closeup.jpg

 

[Msteelio91]

As for strange lens, I think the Nikon 6mm f/2.8 lens is an EXTREMELY strange looking lens.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Rwh6NmCL9...00/Nikon_Fisheye_Nikkor_6mm_f_2.8_closeup.jpg

...why?