t3i causing noise, time to upgrade. but stuck b/t 6D, 7D, 60D, 70D

[Juga]

If Canon up there Dynamic Range a bit and the specs are true for the 7D Mark II, It should be the best crop sensor on the market. A Large buffer and 10 to 12 FPS is a dream for us Bird photographers.

PShaw.. best camera for bird photography? The Pentax K1000. You throw it at the bird and stun it, then take pictures of it using either a Canon or Nikon. Works like a charm.

uhhhhhhh…peta

 

[DarkShadow]

If Canon up there Dynamic Range a bit and the specs are true for the 7D Mark II, It should be the best crop sensor on the market.

I hope they don't use the same 70D sensor. They really need to create some separation between the bodies other than AF, FPS, and little differences. I have read some rumors even saying that the AF system will be the same from the 1DX and 5DIII. We shall see…

I also heard that as well. I also here ISO Noise performance close to the 5D MRK III but not sure I believe that one.

 

[Dao]

OP, do you usually under expose your photos? Did you use any post processing software?

 

[Juga]

If Canon up there Dynamic Range a bit and the specs are true for the 7D Mark II, It should be the best crop sensor on the market.

I hope they don't use the same 70D sensor. They really need to create some separation between the bodies other than AF, FPS, and little differences. I have read some rumors even saying that the AF system will be the same from the 1DX and 5DIII. We shall see…

I also heard that as well. I also here ISO close to the 5D MRL III but not sure I believe that one.

Then why even buy a full frame? I doubt that will be the case. I was pretty impressed with how the 70D handles noise. A lot of people say there isn't much of a difference between the 60D and 70D as far as high ISO but having used both at high ISO the 70D is significantly better. But let people keep referring to snap sort as their source of info…fine by me. Same goes when I was researching full frame I played with the 5DIII, D800, D600, and 6D. The 6D blew the D600 out of the water at 6400 and above. The D800 and 5DIII were great but really much more than I wanted to spend. When I rented the 70D and compared shots at 3200 with it and my 6D you really couldn't tell that much of a difference…it had me considering selling my 6D and going with the 70D but then I came back down to earth.

 

[DarkShadow]

I agree with you Joe, Snap sort is a Joke.

 

[Lumens]

tC_H4V0K

I moved from a T2i to a 7D as I need the speed and focus for outdoor wildlife. Automotive Photography I assume means Indoors with funky lighting. T2i, t3i, 7D, X0D all have pretty much the same sensor. To get improved Image Quality will mean moving to a Full Frame 6D or 5DmIII.

However there are some post processing tricks that can remove serious noise. Lightroom & PS can help a lot if you know what your doing. That is not me yet, but I have seen other photographers work wonders cleaning up noise post processing. My next goal is to learn just how to do it - I know it can be done as I have seen it.

 

[tC_H4V0K]

OP, do you usually under expose your photos? Did you use any post processing software?

I actually think this is part of the problem. Im not very good with light settings and ive been so used to using a stock lens that lighting has always been a struggle for me. I dont have a 1080p res laptop but even with my 720p screen, i can still see noise present in multiple photos. most of the noise is after editing as far as i can see, but I HAVE to edit, but i have a hard time editing without getting noise. On another note, Ive been taking a look at the 7D and i do like it. the 6D and 5D MkII seem like great cameras but are super expensive (on amazon at least.)


^This photo:
Exposure: 5 Sec
ISO: 1600 (ew)
Focal Length: 23mm
Aperature: 3.625

*notice noise on the floor and lighter spots of the photo*



^This Photo:
Exposure: 1/100 sec
ISO: 400
Focal Length: 18mm
Aperature: 3.625

*Very Little Editing was done to this photo but i lit up the car a bit, and notice the noise in the sunlight


^This Photo:
Exposure: 1/50 sec
ISO: 200
Focal Lenth: 20mm
Aperature: 3.625

*This one was better but blacks arent as rich as i see photos that come out of a 5D or 7D. notice noise under the bridge*

 

[robbins.photo]

If Canon up there Dynamic Range a bit and the specs are true for the 7D Mark II, It should be the best crop sensor on the market. A Large buffer and 10 to 12 FPS is a dream for us Bird photographers.

PShaw.. best camera for bird photography? The Pentax K1000. You throw it at the bird and stun it, then take pictures of it using either a Canon or Nikon. Works like a charm.

uhhhhhhh…peta

Why would I toss a K1000 at PETA? Even though I think they are pretty silly I'm more of a live and let live kind of guy myself. Hey.. now there is thought, I should send them a little something for Christmas. Hmm.. Beef Jerky maybe?

 

[robbins.photo]

Ok, so your saying the noise seems to be introduced "after you edit", which makes me wonder what software your using to edit and even more importantly what settings your using when you save the files.

 

[JacaRanda]

OP, do you usually under expose your photos? Did you use any post processing software?

I actually think this is part of the problem. Im not very good with light settings and ive been so used to using a stock lens that lighting has always been a struggle for me. I dont have a 1080p res laptop but even with my 720p screen, i can still see noise present in multiple photos. most of the noise is after editing as far as i can see, but I HAVE to edit, but i have a hard time editing without getting noise. On another note, Ive been taking a look at the 7D and i do like it. the 6D and 5D MkII seem like great cameras but are super expensive (on amazon at least.)

View attachment 61508
^This photo:
Exposure: 5 Sec
ISO: 1600 (ew)
Focal Length: 23mm
Aperature: 3.625

*notice noise on the floor and lighter spots of the photo*


View attachment 61509
^This Photo:
Exposure: 1/100 sec
ISO: 400
Focal Length: 18mm
Aperature: 3.625

*Very Little Editing was done to this photo but i lit up the car a bit, and notice the noise in the sunlight

View attachment 61511
^This Photo:
Exposure: 1/50 sec
ISO: 200
Focal Lenth: 20mm
Aperature: 3.625

*This one was better but blacks arent as rich as i see photos that come out of a 5D or 7D. notice noise under the bridge*

I actually don't see much of a noise issue on these. There are some settings on your T3I that may help particularly with the longer exposures. (Noise Reduction Options) Canon T3i Review: Full Review - Exposure

I don't think the 7D will give you any better results in regards to noise, in fact it may be slightly worse. What you would get from it is better autofocussing. That would certainly help with your moving subjects (in good light).

Lumens is correct in regards to post processing tricks/techniques in Lightroom and other software. There is a learning curve and tradeoffs to the type and amount of post processing used.

It still may be a cheaper route until you can upgrade to the camera and lenses that may handle your needs better.

 

[SCraig]

You absolutely, positively, do NOT want to underexpose any high(ish) ISO shots in any way whatsoever. The trick is to OVER expose them just to the point of blowing out the highlights and then reduce the exposure in post processing. This preserves a great deal of the shadow detail without a lot of noise. The technique is referred to as "ETTR" or "Expose To The Right" and it really makes a huge difference. Take a look at This Tutorial.

 

[tC_H4V0K]

Ok, so your saying the noise seems to be introduced "after you edit", which makes me wonder what software your using to edit and even more importantly what settings your using when you save the files.

using lightroom 4, taking photos in JPEG, exporting them with a watermark. simple as that. ill do editing to sharpen things up or to lighten under exposed photos a bit, will add artificial sunlight as well to make photos more dramatic. any tips would be appreciated. thanks

 

[JacaRanda]

I hope they don't use the same 70D sensor. They really need to create some separation between the bodies other than AF, FPS, and little differences. I have read some rumors even saying that the AF system will be the same from the 1DX and 5DIII. We shall see…

I also heard that as well. I also here ISO close to the 5D MRL III but not sure I believe that one.

Then why even buy a full frame? I doubt that will be the case. I was pretty impressed with how the 70D handles noise. A lot of people say there isn't much of a difference between the 60D and 70D as far as high ISO but having used both at high ISO the 70D is significantly better. But let people keep referring to snap sort as their source of info…fine by me. Same goes when I was researching full frame I played with the 5DIII, D800, D600, and 6D. The 6D blew the D600 out of the water at 6400 and above. The D800 and 5DIII were great but really much more than I wanted to spend. When I rented the 70D and compared shots at 3200 with it and my 6D you really couldn't tell that much of a difference…it had me considering selling my 6D and going with the 70D but then I came back down to earth.

I've not been much into testing, but I should with T3I, 60D & 70D.

 

[Juga]

Ok, so your saying the noise seems to be introduced "after you edit", which makes me wonder what software your using to edit and even more importantly what settings your using when you save the files.

using lightroom 4, taking photos in JPEG, exporting them with a watermark. simple as that. ill do editing to sharpen things up or to lighten under exposed photos a bit, will add artificial sunlight as well to make photos more dramatic. any tips would be appreciated. thanks

Shoot RAW. It will preserve much more detail and give you much more leeway when editing.

 

[Juga]

I also heard that as well. I also here ISO close to the 5D MRL III but not sure I believe that one.

Then why even buy a full frame? I doubt that will be the case. I was pretty impressed with how the 70D handles noise. A lot of people say there isn't much of a difference between the 60D and 70D as far as high ISO but having used both at high ISO the 70D is significantly better. But let people keep referring to snap sort as their source of info…fine by me. Same goes when I was researching full frame I played with the 5DIII, D800, D600, and 6D. The 6D blew the D600 out of the water at 6400 and above. The D800 and 5DIII were great but really much more than I wanted to spend. When I rented the 70D and compared shots at 3200 with it and my 6D you really couldn't tell that much of a difference…it had me considering selling my 6D and going with the 70D but then I came back down to earth.

I've not been much into testing, but I should with T3I, 60D & 70D.

When I researched for full frame I went to a place to check them out but with the 60D and 70D I shot two weddings with coupled with the 70-200 f/2.8 IS USM II.