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^^ there are rumors of a new full frame body to be released by sony. sony has never made a crop sensor pro body, and given Sony's lack of success in the pro market, I am not 100% sure if this is the direction sony is going to be taking.

I think though that if Sony focuses it's efforts on the NEX series rather than the SLT, it may be able to create an interesting market for high-end, feature-rich bodies which appeal to enthusiests, even if the pro market is elsewhere; there is something very Contax-like about the NEX-7's market.
 
I am looking at the photo of the girl in the green outfit. There is more in that image..ie book, print, wine glass, texture etc and makes a more valid comparison shot for all cameras.skieur
Haha and I'm the biased one. Ignore the example I just mentioned because it's detrimental to your case, and bring attention to another image. One non-credible image makes all images non-credible. And talking about high ISO, the A77 shows signs of posterization. No bueno. The comparison is better left up to your real world experience, not the experience of a website that can't take sharp pictures or use the same lenses.
Now, you are getting silly! This thread is about the 3 cameras I mentioned at the beginning as well as for consistency the photos of the girl and other items in that scene at different ISOs on the website for the reasons I have mentioned. What posterization? Where? And you are still blaming the web site for results that you are not happy with.skieur
What does cloud cuckoo land look like? The 77 isn't a professional camera. You're not going to see pros using it. It doesn't have the capability.
 
I am looking at the photo of the girl in the green outfit. There is more in that image..ie book, print, wine glass, texture etc and makes a more valid comparison shot for all cameras.

skieur

Haha and I'm the biased one. Ignore the example I just mentioned because it's detrimental to your case, and bring attention to another image. One non-credible image makes all images non-credible. And talking about high ISO, the A77 shows signs of posterization. No bueno. The comparison is better left up to your real world experience, not the experience of a website that can't take sharp pictures or use the same lenses.

Now, you are getting silly! This thread is about the 3 cameras I mentioned at the beginning as well as for consistency the photos of the girl and other items in that scene at different ISOs on the website for the reasons I have mentioned. What posterization? Where? And you are still blaming the web site for results that you are not happy with.

skieur

The posterization he was referring to was in the A77 shot at ISO 1600. Along with all the chroma noise. Still drinking? Or do you not have your glasses on?
 
Haha and I'm the biased one. Ignore the example I just mentioned because it's detrimental to your case, and bring attention to another image. One non-credible image makes all images non-credible. And talking about high ISO, the A77 shows signs of posterization. No bueno. The comparison is better left up to your real world experience, not the experience of a website that can't take sharp pictures or use the same lenses.

Now, you are getting silly! This thread is about the 3 cameras I mentioned at the beginning as well as for consistency the photos of the girl and other items in that scene at different ISOs on the website for the reasons I have mentioned. What posterization? Where? And you are still blaming the web site for results that you are not happy with.

skieur

The posterization he was referring to was in the A77 shot at ISO 1600. Along with all the chroma noise. Still drinking? Or do you not have your glasses on?

Spot on.
 
I'm looking at the 5D Mark II vs A77 @ ISO 6400 on the mannequin picture. And if you really believe that the A77 is on par @ high ISO's... you aren't just biased, you're in denial.
Do you own an A77?
 
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I think that I understand where you were going with this thread, skieur. Sony's "top" camera is now the A77, fixed-mirror, crop-sensor camera, with Sony's newest 24.6 megapixel sensor in it. However, I do not really think that Sony's top model camera automatically qualifies it as a "pro camera". To me, the term "pro camera" has always meant a "flagship-level" camera, ie, the BEST-possible technology and construction, and reliability and ruggedness, that the camera's maker can muster. So, over the past decades, that would encompass cameras like the Nikon F and F2, Nikon F3,F4,and F5, and the Canon F1 and F1-n, then the EOS-1, and then in modern times the Nikon 1-digit series cameras, and the Canon 1-digit series of bodies.

Of course, over the past decades there have been high-end AMATEUR-oriented camera models that have found widespread professional use. Nikon's FM- and FE- series camera models were a great example of "high-end amateur" cameras that were used by tens of thousands of professionals for many years. Same with the later N90,N90s,and F100 film cameras.

While the Canon 5D and 5D-II have found wide acceptance among wedding and social photographers...these are not really "professional cameras" in the "flagship" sense of the word--they are in fact, really quite stripped-down, very BASIC cameras, lacking in many features found in lower-cost cameras from multiple makers. However, if the term professional camera simply means "in use by quite a few professional photographers," then the Canon 5D and 5D-II, as well as the Nikon D700, and D300 and D300s would also qualify as "professional cameras." Sony however, does not have much in the way of professional acceptance or use...their user base is new,and in part some of Minolta's old user base, and is for the most part I think, amateurs and people who are just entering into the d-slr market. If your intent was to lump the A77 into the "professional camera" segment, it would ONLY be based upon the megapixel count of the camera, because it does not have a wide professional photographer user base like the Canon 5D series has, or the Nikon cameras have. Sony's efforts in the A900 and A850 models, full-frame, simple, great design, good viewfinders, low-tech bodies (no live view, no video) fell FLAT, and now Sony has regrouped and is trying to push fixed-mirror cameras onto consumers. They are trying to convince people that their new technology is an "advantage", and one worth paying for. I simply do not think that bearing the highest-ranking model number makes the Sony A77 a "professional camera".


Top cameras are A850 A900 which are both full frame
 
gsgary said:
Top cameras are A850 A900 which are both full frame

And both have been officially discontinued. The A900 was officially dropped in the spring of May,2010. The A850 is discontinued. Great specifications, and a really LOW price for a full-frame 24mmx36mm sensor d-slr, but simply not enough sales to keep the camera viable...

Sony a850 is now discontinued | Photo Rumors
 
Works for me. These bodies will only get cheaper now. By all account the a900 is a beast of a machine.
 
I am honestly saying that the A77 is the same at high ISOs as the Nikon D3X and the Canon IDS Mark III. If you don't believe it, check out the photo I mentioned in the link.

skieur

So they are the same in a single photo......
 
Am I the only one here that thinks this is the stupidest thread in all the internetz?
 
In sports photography a 1/10 second lag is HUGE. Positively HUGE. Unworkably long and slow...

You obviously are not familiar with how shooting sports actually happens in the real world.

A viewfinder that lags behind the subject by 1/10 of a second is a joke.

Well, since neither the Canon 1DS Mark III and the Nikon D3S cannot come close to this speed in full resolution, it is hardly a joke, unless the joke is on the slower Nikon and Canon cameras mentioned.

skieur

This is probably why the other cameras you mention employ an OPTICAL view finder... zero lag.

Yes zero lag but at 5 fps or slower and NOT at 12 frames per second at full resolution.

skieur
 

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