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Terrible that anyone would feel so alone that they would take this step. His popularity and success only confirm that those things don’t make anyone immune to mental illness and/or depression.

Totally agree about the meds! The side effects are worse than the illness.
 
Very very sad news to hear this, I use to take meds for bad depression, the police saved me as I was standing on top of a bridge. Thoughts are with his loved ones.
 
Wildly inaccurate, not to mention dismissive of an exceptionally complex condition.

Unfortunately you are either misinformed or your state is much different than ours. I won't go into the private details, but we have just gone through it with a family member this week for the 5th attempt since last year this time and so many times in the last 10 years I've lost count. One time after drinking drain cleaner, once by eating and swallowing multiple morphine patches, once by intentionally driving off the interstate at 120 mph, once by pesticide, but the choice is usually prescription overdoses (that was the intent this week when they were found in a parking lot having a Gran Mall Seizure on the verge of cardiac arrest ).

I've dealt with every federal and state agency I ever thought could help, so much so that I could write a book on it. On this last attempt, we did convince Mental Health to put in a recommendation on a hold for transfer to a psychiatric ward (but only after we had a melt down in the ER and shamed them on their incompetence). After being comatose for three days, the family member woke up said they were fine, and checked themselves out of the hospital yesterday.

Mental health claimed they did their job, by making the recommendation but if the hospital said they're okay to leave then it was out of their hands. The hospital claimed the patient was lucid and could not hold them if they wanted to leave. That revolving door was already spinning wide open. The suicide prevention hot line provided nothing but a number to the state coordinator for our area. Called them on Monday and got voice mail ---- they finally called back today, 5 days later. Which I'm surprised they even called, normally you have to keep calling them to get assistance. Even if you're lucky enough for someone to recognize there are individuals in need of help, at most it might be 5 days in a psychiatric ward or if you're really lucky 3 months in a program after which, in either case they dump them back on the street with a pocket full of pills and the expectation they will take them as directed, because there isn't enough bed space to go around.

Our state has two mental hospitals for holds, that's it. If you go through the legal commitment process there's a joke at the court house, that they take a pool on who will make it back to town first, the deputy or the patient. Lawyers will tell you up front they don't want to take your money because it's a useless (we know, we tried).

I consider myself a sane, level headed, educated person with the knowledge and capability to seek out resources. For those with mental health problems unable to think clearly if they have no one to help them they're quickly lost in a bureaucratic maze of revolving doors and shuffling from one place to another. So yeah maybe I'm dismissive, maybe I'm a little cynical, but one thing for certain, after working this problem for 9 years, I know first hand, what help is really there, what isn't, and the stench of BS.
 
Ok. You've made your point. As someone who worked in the medical field for 20 years, I am neither misinformed or cynical. Every story, every family, every case is different.

Thanks for sharing your story. I do, however, stand by my original observations.
 
Ok. You've made your point. As someone who worked in the medical field for 20 years, I am neither misinformed or cynical. Every story, every family, every case is different.

Terri, my post is not a commentary on the medical field as a whole. Throughout the ordeal we've found doctors, nurses, and other professionals who really do care and try, but ultimately it comes down to the limitations they face as well. After she read through the history in that hospital alone, the nurse on duty couldn't believe it, and tried desperately to help, but at the end of the day her hands were tied, and all she could do was sympathize with our frustration and disbelief.

Broken arms can be splinted, diseases treated, hearts replaced, but disorders of the brain are a different matter. Add to that the legal implications that stand in the way of treating those in need for fear of violating their rights and you further complicate it. At least here, there is a preponderance of opinion that leans toward the protection of someones rights even if it means the individual might do harm to themselves or others. Then you have the sad situation that mental health is an out of sight, out of mind, subject that no one wants to talk about or fund. That's why our prisons are now the mental hospitals of the state (there was a big story on this again the other day). Back in February, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson ordered the Alabama Department of Corrections to take new steps to keep inmates with serious mental illness from long stretches in solitary confinement. Unfortunately he can order all he wants, but with no where to go, they'll remain in solitary or be dumped back on the street. Another one of those "revolving doors" I talked about earlier.
 
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What I know about suicide in my part of the country would fit on the head of a pin with room left over.
I must hit the sack pretty soon because 4AM comes early.
 
What I know about suicide in my part of the country would fit on the head of a pin with room left over.
I must hit the sack pretty soon because 4AM comes early.

Quite frankly, I believe most people are the same - what we know about suicide or what will or will not help those who are suicidal could fit on half of the head of a pin, and anyone who thinks they know the answer is grossly and dangerously oversimplifying.
 
Good night, folks. Storm has arrived.
 
Cloudy and muggy here today, over to mums to help out then have lunch.
 
Morning all. I hope that I've turned the corner on the pneumonia. Wednesday and Thursday were bad days as it felt like I was trying to cough up pieces of lung. Yesterday seemed better and today is early, but hopefully the worst is over. Go in again next week for Xrays to confirm. Other than that it's typical summer weather here. Hot and humid, mixed with really hot and humid.
 
Buenos Dias Coffee Hosers. It is 7:30 a.m., Gary has been up for a spell cooking and prepping for the Bowl. There are skewers of veggies outside on the grill and a pork loin in the Sous Vide. 64F presently, but it may hit 80F by the afternoon. As typical, the 64F feels like 64F and the 80F will feel like 80F.
 
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80 (if only that was how hot it will get) will feel like 86 or so with humidity.
4.46 again 30.16 for the week.
Just did the Post Office. Box at the front of the neighborhood and then home.

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It's hot here already
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Tomorrow through next week, they are calling for pop up thunderstorms. We could actually use the rain so won't complain.
 

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