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[Gary A.]

We have very little problems finding dog friendly accommodations.

 

[Gary A.]

Gary just returned from a movie in Long Beach. Blindspotting ... a terrific movie. Gary gives it six stars out of five. It really shines a bright light on our society and the racial divide haunting this country. It’s not playing everywhere, but well worth seeking out.

 

[tirediron]

Hint: If you tell the hotel that it is a service dog, typically there is no premium charged.

As someone who works closely with several service dog organizations and has several close friends who use service dogs, I would say that saying, or even suggesting your dog is a service animal if it isn't is a pretty slimy trick; right up up there with parking in a handicapped space when you're not entitled to.

 

[Gary A.]

Hint: If you tell the hotel that it is a service dog, typically there is no premium charged.

As someone who works closely with several service dog organizations and has several close friends who use service dogs, I would say that saying, or even suggesting your dog is a service animal if it isn't is a pretty slimy trick; right up up there with parking in a handicapped space when you're not entitled to.

Oh Please and Screw you! We are not taking a limited number of reserved dog rooms away from a service dog. I also have friends with service dogs. It is Not the same thing as a handicap parking place ... and I am insulted by your misguided insinuation. This was actually bought up to us by a hotel clerk who told us with a nudge-nudge, wink-wink, that our “dog is a service dog ... right”.

 

[RowdyRay]

Hint: If you tell the hotel that it is a service dog, typically there is no premium charged.

Been in the handicapped transportation business for 30 years. Dealt with many service dogs. Pretty sure the clients don't have them for the hotel perks.

 

[Gary A.]

Hint: If you tell the hotel that it is a service dog, typically there is no premium charged.

Been in the handicapped transportation business for 30 years. Dealt with many service dogs. Pretty sure the clients don't have them for the hotel perks.

I never said that people with service dogs have them for hotel perks. Why do you think that? Why would you think I think that?

 

[tirediron]

Hint: If you tell the hotel that it is a service dog, typically there is no premium charged.

As someone who works closely with several service dog organizations and has several close friends who use service dogs, I would say that saying, or even suggesting your dog is a service animal if it isn't is a pretty slimy trick; right up up there with parking in a handicapped space when you're not entitled to.

Oh Please and Screw you! We are not taking a limited number of reserved dog rooms away from a service dog. I also have friends with service dogs. It is Not the same thing as a handicap parking place ... and I am insulted by your misguided insinuation. This was actually bought up to us by a hotel clerk who told us with a nudge-nudge, wink-wink, that our “dog is a service dog ... right”.

I'm sorry Gary, but I don't believe you're seeing the big picture here. I grant you that there is a difference in that there aren't necessarily a finite number of spaces for service dogs, BUT... what this does do is cause problems for legitimate service dogs and their humans as people see "service animals" which clearly aren't service animals being allowed in places where regular pets aren't allowed to go, and where they have deliberately not brought their own pets. Further service dogs have received training which allows them to function appropriately in situations where many dogs wouldn't, causing further problems for legitimate service dogs. I don't doubt for a minute that Miss Maggie would behave in an absolutely appropriate manner, but you have to admit that many wouldn't. I don't doubt that a hotel clerk suggested this to you, but I would be willing to bet that senior management weren't aware he/she was doing this.

 

[SquarePeg]

Couldn’t help but think of this: Emotional support peacock denied flight by United Airlines

 

[Gary A.]

Hint: If you tell the hotel that it is a service dog, typically there is no premium charged.

As someone who works closely with several service dog organizations and has several close friends who use service dogs, I would say that saying, or even suggesting your dog is a service animal if it isn't is a pretty slimy trick; right up up there with parking in a handicapped space when you're not entitled to.

Oh Please and Screw you! We are not taking a limited number of reserved dog rooms away from a service dog. I also have friends with service dogs. It is Not the same thing as a handicap parking place ... and I am insulted by your misguided insinuation. This was actually bought up to us by a hotel clerk who told us with a nudge-nudge, wink-wink, that our “dog is a service dog ... right”.

I'm sorry Gary, but I don't believe you're seeing the big picture here. I grant you that there is a difference in that there aren't necessarily a finite number of spaces for service dogs, BUT... what this does do is cause problems for legitimate service dogs and their humans as people see "service animals" which clearly aren't service animals being allowed in places where regular pets aren't allowed to go, and where they have deliberately not brought their own pets. Further service dogs have received training which allows them to function appropriately in situations where many dogs wouldn't, causing further problems for legitimate service dogs. I don't doubt for a minute that Miss Maggie would behave in an absolutely appropriate manner, but you have to admit that many wouldn't. I don't doubt that a hotel clerk suggested this to you, but I would be willing to bet that senior management weren't aware he/she was doing this.

This is a pivot ... people claiming their dog is a service dog in a selfish lie for their dog to gain access to areas which would normally be off limits to non-service dogs has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on receiving a service dog discount on a hotel room ... especially a discount encouraged by the hotel staff.

Again, your pivot away from my original statement is much different than my statement. While I acknowledge that there is a problem with person falsely claiming a service dog status in order to bring their dogs into a no dog allowed area ... that is completely different from getting a dog premium waved on a room which was original reserved as a regular dog room.

Service dogs are allowed into a non-dog environment because they perform a medical service, similar to crutches or wheelchairs. Yes they are trained and well behave ... and again this is another pivot. Misbehaving organism, regardless of species, are not and should not be allowed where they would infringe upon the well being of others.

The wink-wink came from the hotel manager ... which is irrelevant and again a pivot. So you would question and police the righteous of the hotel staff when offer a discount? Demand to see the company policy ... please!

 

[Gary A.]

By the way, this is not a ‘big picture’ discussion. I narrowly defined my remarks to hotel room dog premium. Not a general discussion of service dog misrepsentation. Regardless of your pivots and attempting to take the discussion to places the original statement didn’t go to or represent ... you are still wrong and I still resent you alluding that I am “slimy” for accepting a discount offered by the hotel.

 

[davidharmier60]

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[smoke665]

And the one night I turn in early! LOL

As we are travelers with a fur kid, we take notice of such things. In our travels we've noticed that different states are taking on more strict laws in an attempt to discourage claiming a pet as a service animal. Including in some cases a hefty fine for doing so.

Frankly Sadie is better behaved and less prone to cause damage, or disturb others then many kids I've seen. We always try to patronize those establishments with pet friendly policies. There's a restaurant in Gatlinburg that she gets the royal treatment. The waiter brings her a water bowl when they bring the drinks, and wait staff in general makes it point to swing by every so often with treats of one sort or another, and love on her.

 

[SquarePeg]

Gary - I understand the distinction you’re making. I would only see a problem with this if there were a limited number of rooms for those with dogs and the "service dog" distinction got you an accessible room when those were all booked up.

Marriott Residence Inn is usually a dog friendly option and Loews (but pricey). Found this online: Have dog, will travel: Top pet-friendly hotel chains

We don't normally take our dog when we travel. It depends on the destination but even if the hotel is dog friendly, the places we'll be going while we are traveling, are not. No point in taking him along if he's going to be left in the hotel room for hours on end. He'd be more comfortable at home. If we're going somewhere that will involve a lot of outdoor time and a dog friendly beach, that's a different story. I have an aunt who takes care of our boy when we go away. She spoils him rotten and sometimes he is a bit of a diva for the first couple of days after we return. Expecting us to carry him up/down the stairs, wanting to ride shotgun, thinking he's going to sit at the table with us during dinner...

 

[waday]

I guess better benefits is debatable. After years of sleeping in hotel beds, I appreciate the fact that I know who's been doing what in my comfortable king size bed. We keep dual households with most things other than fresh foods (a lot of that we buy on the road). I appreciate being able to open my closet and find a lot of the same clothes that are in my closet at home. I appreciate opening the bathroom cabinet and finding all my toiletries the same as my cabinet at home. We take a satellite receiver from the house when we go, so all my TV shows are there when I want them. Most places have WIFI and for those that don't we hot spot a phone. I can open the basement storage and there's my grill and tools, or if I want to go fishing there's my fly rod, bass rod, and tackle.

Understood. We have different vacation destinations and itineraries, so I can see benefits to both.

I also like the fact that Sadie is comfortable with her surroundings, and I don't worry so much about leaving her unattended. Taking her outside is easier, have you ever taken one down an elevator, or had to go searching for grass for them to go on? I once stood in a tiny median in the middle of a four lane street in Washington, DC because that was the only D*&^ grass in a 10 block radius I could find, and our precious baby would not go on anything but grass

Roxy is usually ok in hotels. Roxy has visited several hotels, and yes, did the elevator thing. Not that bad, because elevator. The only problem arose when others with two small dogs tried to cram into an elevator with me and Roxy. Roxy doesn't like dogs her size or smaller, so I kept her in a corner blocked by my legs. She was too distracted by the elevator and people to really care about the dog.

Roxy will typically do her business anywhere outside where she thinks she's allowed... so, she'll go on sidewalks. When we're in Brooklyn, we have to do three floors up and down; she'll go on the sidewalk since there's not much grass around. And the few spaces of grass sometimes have trash or broken glass in them, so I am hesitant to let her walk on the grass there.

 

[tirediron]

By the way, this is not a ‘big picture’ discussion. I narrowly defined my remarks to hotel room dog premium. Not a general discussion of service dog misrepsentation. Regardless of your pivots and attempting to take the discussion to places the original statement didn’t go to or represent ... you are still wrong and I still resent you alluding that I am “slimy” for accepting a discount offered by the hotel.

I'm sorry Gary, I was not referring to you as slimy (as I did not think you would actually do this) - rather that the action was. Again, I beg to differ - this is a small aspect of a very big picture. While the laws are likely different in California, in BC that would actually constitute a criminal offense.

I am very sorry if I've offended; this is a topic fairly close to me, and I have seen the problems arising from misrepresentation of service dogs, so any evidence of it tends to bother me. I understand that this is in the class of offenses that most people believe don't matter; pushing the speed limit a bit, parking in a 'No Parking' area, inflating costs on an insurance claim, etc, but the truth is, these do have an effect, and while usually small, not readily apparent, it is there.

Again, I am sorry for having caused offense!