OnTheFly7
No longer a newbie, moving up!
My apologies now, but this is more of a rant than anything. However, for those trying to or who are making a living in this profession, this is an example of why things can be so difficult at times.
Over the past week or so, I have been in contact with the promoter for a fairly large sporting event. This is an event with a rich history and a tremendous following. In fact, each year, the event draws on an average, over 50,000 spectators.
So we were discussing the possibility of me shooting this event. We each liked what each other had to say and hit it off right away. Then the subject of cost came up. I presented my typical rates for an event like this. I also mentioned however, that I would be some what flexible in my rates, as there is potential for a long term partnership moving forward (according to them, which we have all heard before). However, given the fact of where the event is taking place (in relation to where I live), I said that I would need 4 nights in a hotel to cover the event and in lieu of my normal rate, I would like to have my hotel costs covered as part of the deal. Not unreasonable and usually, most never question this request (even when charging normal rates).
A day later, I receive an email saying thank you, but we are just too far apart. Nothing new, as you can not expect to win them all.
He then follows that up with something along the lines of, we simply can not do that. Especially when we have other "photographers" here for free, who sell prints. I put photographers in quotes because if you were to see some of the images, many are not in focus, are not sharp, etc. I get it. We all started somewhere. However, that is the exact reason we were speaking in the first place. They were not happy with what they were getting for free.
He continues by saying that they would like someone to get the shots that they are envisioning, to cover all aspects of the event, to have a CD provided full of images and to have on site printing during the event. Which they are not currently getting. Yet, they are getting free images from these others.
At that point, I just smirked and said thank you for the interest and the initial conversations. I'm sorry we could not come to an agreement and good luck moving forward.
I then sat back, took a sip of my beer and shook my head. They couldn't or did not want to pay my rate, or possibly any rate for that matter but expected to have every desire full filled and on site printing (which as we all know would require and additional person on site, a booth/table set up, a printer, toner, power, etc.) as well.
We are not happy with what we are getting, we want.......however, we do not want to pay an acceptable rate for such work.
A no win situation right there!
Thanks for listening (reading).
Over the past week or so, I have been in contact with the promoter for a fairly large sporting event. This is an event with a rich history and a tremendous following. In fact, each year, the event draws on an average, over 50,000 spectators.
So we were discussing the possibility of me shooting this event. We each liked what each other had to say and hit it off right away. Then the subject of cost came up. I presented my typical rates for an event like this. I also mentioned however, that I would be some what flexible in my rates, as there is potential for a long term partnership moving forward (according to them, which we have all heard before). However, given the fact of where the event is taking place (in relation to where I live), I said that I would need 4 nights in a hotel to cover the event and in lieu of my normal rate, I would like to have my hotel costs covered as part of the deal. Not unreasonable and usually, most never question this request (even when charging normal rates).
A day later, I receive an email saying thank you, but we are just too far apart. Nothing new, as you can not expect to win them all.
He then follows that up with something along the lines of, we simply can not do that. Especially when we have other "photographers" here for free, who sell prints. I put photographers in quotes because if you were to see some of the images, many are not in focus, are not sharp, etc. I get it. We all started somewhere. However, that is the exact reason we were speaking in the first place. They were not happy with what they were getting for free.
He continues by saying that they would like someone to get the shots that they are envisioning, to cover all aspects of the event, to have a CD provided full of images and to have on site printing during the event. Which they are not currently getting. Yet, they are getting free images from these others.
At that point, I just smirked and said thank you for the interest and the initial conversations. I'm sorry we could not come to an agreement and good luck moving forward.
I then sat back, took a sip of my beer and shook my head. They couldn't or did not want to pay my rate, or possibly any rate for that matter but expected to have every desire full filled and on site printing (which as we all know would require and additional person on site, a booth/table set up, a printer, toner, power, etc.) as well.
We are not happy with what we are getting, we want.......however, we do not want to pay an acceptable rate for such work.
A no win situation right there!
Thanks for listening (reading).