the wow factor

[JacaRanda]

But Lady Gaga is a classically trained musician. She has serious talent, she just chooses a genre of music that degrades that.

Or figured out how to make a living from it. Which goes back to the doing what I love and making a living off of it thingy

Mr. Brick, is Camp Pendleton a new location for you? I grew up there (San Onofre housing) 1973ish to 1984ish.

No, been here 3 years. I had SD as my location and everyone kept thinking it was South Dakota so I decided to be a little more specific. I'm only here for a few more months though before the Navy gives me a spare-no-expense trip to Japan for 3 years.

Well darn. Hopefully if Wifey and I get down that way again we can meetup for a brewski or latte or something.

 

[bribrius]

When I saw WOW, I thought this:



Country has its fair share of untalented hacks, I'm sure-I am not a country fan, so I'm not 100% qualified to comment, but being an American, I will anyway.

I'd say that the thing to strive for here is Queen or Led Zeppelin-timeless. Just as relevant today as they were when they were together. If there's a way to make your work "future proof" (not your equipment-that's impossible), that's what I would strive for-something that will survive the next fad, or the impending DSLR apocalypse I keep hearing about, or changes in popular styles and culture. That's what Queen and Led Zeppelin have done-survived the changes in how music is stored, fads like boy bands, annoying people like Justin Beiber, and stood the test of time. Have I achieved this? God no, I'm not anywhere near good enough to make images that powerful at this point in my adventures. Maybe when I'm 80.

Geesh. I dunno. I haven't listened to my queen or ledzepplin cds or tapes in years (never was a queen fan) but have beethoven in the cd clock radio. seems I have piles of music that were all personal fads I stopped listening too.
All subjective, I think my bar would be THIS but realistically I would be happy with leonard cohen status. And ill admit I caught myself listening to dear mr. fantasy the other day and the legendary pink dots. Maybe the entertainment photos have a purpose.

 

[JacaRanda]

A highschool friend of mine introduced me to Zeppelin. Stairway To Heaven was probably all I knew prior to that. Incredible sums it up for me. All of them.

 

[BrickHouse]

A highschool friend of mine introduced me to Zeppelin. Stairway To Heaven was probably all I knew prior to that. Incredible sums it up for me. All of them.

The deeper you go into their catalog, the more amazed you are and the more appreciation for what they did. Now THAT is music!

 

[bribrius]

A highschool friend of mine introduced me to Zeppelin. Stairway To Heaven was probably all I knew prior to that. Incredible sums it up for me. All of them.

way to look at it. All these were fads of the time, some just stayed longer than others. Maybe when zeppelin came out a lot of naysayers didn't think they would last. Perhaps photography changing, is something photographers need to adapt to as it may last. OR at least facets of the changes may last. Really more something for you all to consider that have much more time invested and are much more involved (and better at it) than myself. im really just a new person on the scene looking around and noticing things. Thinking those that care a lot about photography and have put a good portion of their lives in it would have a much larger vested interest in the direction it goes in than us onlookers.

 

[bribrius]

I think I should attempt to clarify something regarding music personalities. I think Lady Gaga is actually talented, although I don't know if she writes her own songs.

My beef is mainly directed at all the wanna-bees trying to break into the music business. It seems as though there is a "uniform" of sorts from costumes to choice of instrument, to song styles. If someone is interested in rock, then they emulate the current crop of rock stars. If they prefer country, then I can't tell one from another.

Now back to the photography metaphor: In photography these days it seems there are a lot of copy-cats trying to copy some or another "style" regardless if it is something they can do.

agree.
I wonder how one would learn without copying however. isn't that sort of being a journeyman apprentice? you copy and do what you are told, learn, and then go your own way? Or are you saying they are copying because they cant come up with their own form or style?

 

[runnah]

A highschool friend of mine introduced me to Zeppelin. Stairway To Heaven was probably all I knew prior to that. Incredible sums it up for me. All of them.

The deeper you go into their catalog, the more amazed you are and the more appreciation for what they did. Now THAT is music!

I think Page and Bonham are what made that band special. Plant is/was a decent vocalist.

p.s in my time of dying is my favorite song, the drums are incredible.

 

[BrickHouse]

In unrelated news. Have you heard that Filipino guy (Arnel Pineda) sing for Journey? AMAZING! Sounds just like Steve Perry. Serious powerhouse vocals.

 

[bribrius]

well. off subject. if we are moving on to vocalists. I prefer the female variety. Men just cant seem to reach the "tones" of a female voice. ill admit. im a guy and I have a pile of "chick music" I have purchased over the years because I couldn't resist the vocals. Don't tell anyone. shhhhh.



and no. im not gay.

 

[Designer]

agree.
I wonder how one would learn without copying however. isn't that sort of being a journeyman apprentice? you copy and do what you are told, learn, and then go your own way? Or are you saying they are copying because they cant come up with their own form or style?

I have nothing against copying. I endorse it. Copying very often leads to a better understanding of photographic technique and style. So I'm wrong. Thanks.

 

[bribrius]

agree.
I wonder how one would learn without copying however. isn't that sort of being a journeyman apprentice? you copy and do what you are told, learn, and then go your own way? Or are you saying they are copying because they cant come up with their own form or style?

I have nothing against copying. I endorse it. Copying very often leads to a better understanding of photographic technique and style. So I'm wrong. Thanks.

Im not even suggesting you are wrong, as most everything I have seen you post you seem right and I have the utmost respect for you. I just didn't quite understand the context of copying you didn't seem to like. Perhaps the way they are copying? Purpose of it? who they are copying? sorry if you thought I was implying you were wrong.

 

[otherprof]

I think the lack of punctuation is part of the "I don't have time for this; just give me a big hit" attitude, in communication, including photos of course.

 

[Designer]

O.K., I often will jump to conclusions, as when somebody writes to ask "how to do this style", when it seems that the OP just wants to emulate a "style" without understanding that:

1. It is not a particularly nice style to emulate.
2. The basics of lighting, aperture, editing, are fairly easy to discern even by a casual observer.
3. Most photographers who have an identifiable style have developed it over a long period of time in which he has done countless experiments on the way.
4. To understand the basics well enough to then develop a "style" means lots more learning and practice.

As I have written, I endorse copying, up to the point where the copyist thinks he can palm off his work as "just like (so-and-so's)" or "my style" or "(so-and-so) copied me".

 

[BrickHouse]

Designer, the only thing I'll add, is just to point out that, for a lot of hobbyists, learning to emulate a style or certain effects is a lot of the fun of photography. To see an Ansel Adams print, to spend time learning about his method and style, to spend time trying to emulate a photo, those are fun things, and the foundations of photography that you learn along the way are good lessons. Maybe I start off by trying to emulate a hazy faded photo that brought up a specific nostalgic emotion, in the process I learn more about post-processing, shooting into light or using natural light as a rim light, etc. I think that sometimes "copying" is still learning.

 

[BrickHouse]

well. off subject. if we are moving on to vocalists. I prefer the female variety.

Greatest female vocalist ever: