the wow factor

[bribrius]

What books have you read?

What educational sites have you tried?

just basic course photography books. no educational sites really. And I took photography twenty years ago. I was starting photography course again but after reading lews article I decided on not bothering on going. I need hands on teaching and the slap in the back of the head really. out of the classroom. ill admit that.

 

[Designer]

Get a mentor.

 

[Derrel]

Buy some PHOTOGRAPHY textbooks. Buy some of the John Hedgecoe books about how to do PHOTOGRAPHY. They teach you about photographic technique, and the fundamentals, as well as advanced techniques. These books are without a doubt NOT like today's typical, new-style recipe books, meaning the kind that tell readers how to take a turd, and how to then use a specific piece of Adobe software to perform a,b,c,d,e,f operations on said image file and finally perform operations g and h, in order to end up with a digital image. Not at all. THese books focus more on field- and studio craft.

Go to Amazon. Look up John Hedgecoe + photography books. Buy a couple. Problems solved. He was older than you and now he's dead--so you can win any arguments you might happen to have with him.

 

[Scatterbrained]

Buy some PHOTOGRAPHY textbooks. Buy some of the John Hedgecoe books about how to do PHOTOGRAPHY. They teach you about photographic technique, and the fundamentals, as well as advanced techniques. These books are without a doubt NOT like today's typical, new-style recipe books, meaning the kind that tell readers how to take a turd, and how to then use a specific piece of Adobe software to perform a,b,c,d,e,f operations on said image file and finally perform operations g and h, in order to end up with a digital image. Not at all. THese books focus more on field- and studio craft.

Go to Amazon. Look up John Hedgecoe + photography books. Buy a couple. Problems solved. He was older than you and now he's dead--so you can win any arguments you might happen to have with him.

Were are you finding these recipe books? I've got an entire shelf of photography books and none of them work like that. I find the recipe thing to be more or a blog/website/youtube issue.

 

[bribrius]

Buy some PHOTOGRAPHY textbooks. Buy some of the John Hedgecoe books about how to do PHOTOGRAPHY. They teach you about photographic technique, and the fundamentals, as well as advanced techniques. These books are without a doubt NOT like today's typical, new-style recipe books, meaning the kind that tell readers how to take a turd, and how to then use a specific piece of Adobe software to perform a,b,c,d,e,f operations on said image file and finally perform operations g and h, in order to end up with a digital image. Not at all. THese books focus more on field- and studio craft.

Go to Amazon. Look up John Hedgecoe + photography books. Buy a couple. Problems solved. He was older than you and now he's dead--so you can win any arguments you might happen to have with him.

Name sounds familiar. he has like 30. Any particular you would suggest that isn't totally film based? cant be the price. a penny for paperback or used hardcover and 3.99 for shipping. This going to be better than john freeman?

 

[CdTSnap]

Its like... looking at the Jaguar E-Type in my father in laws garage and then imagining it lowered on chrome spinners?

 

[bribrius]

Get a mentor.

im looking. im looking. put the word out, telling people im into photography more trying to get to know others into it. Retired photographers of fifty years or whatever arent just jumping out of the woodwork around here looking to pass on their knowledge.

 

[kundalini]

Might help.

It will help, but only if you really want it to.

... and ive never been good at listening to anyone that wasn't at least twenty years older than me.

I'm 56, if that helps.

... The hands on approach, lets take that walk for photos ...

Look out for a local photography club. Typically it's a meetup with a location or theme to shoot one meeting and followup with critique the next get together. If that is not an option, check out Scott Kelby's Annual Worlwide Photo Walk. It might be a drive if you're fairly rural, but it is a fun day out meeting with like-minded folk. If nothing else, you may meet some other photogs in your area and strike up a friendship.

It'd also hazard a guess that many of the members at TPF are self-taught. So the impetus is on you. How bad do you want it? Real bad? Prove it, not to anyone here, but to yourself.

 

[Derrel]

Buy some PHOTOGRAPHY textbooks. Buy some of the John Hedgecoe books about how to do PHOTOGRAPHY. They teach you about photographic technique, and the fundamentals, as well as advanced techniques. These books are without a doubt NOT like today's typical, new-style recipe books, meaning the kind that tell readers how to take a turd, and how to then use a specific piece of Adobe software to perform a,b,c,d,e,f operations on said image file and finally perform operations g and h, in order to end up with a digital image. Not at all. THese books focus more on field- and studio craft.

Go to Amazon. Look up John Hedgecoe + photography books. Buy a couple. Problems solved. He was older than you and now he's dead--so you can win any arguments you might happen to have with him.

Were are you finding these recipe books? I've got an entire shelf of photography books and none of them work like that. I find the recipe thing to be more or a blog/website/youtube issue.

Almost everything where the emphasis is on "software first", and on specific brands of software, like Adobe Photoshop XX or Adobe Lightroom, etc.. Same with the various books that are built around a specific camera model. Books based on digital imaging as the way to "Create" pictures--based on taking an image and then manipulating the chit out of it. Like most people do today. Books where 75 to 90 percent of the "image" comes from "software operation" are not photography books--they are books about digital imaging.

Books that are allll about "manipulating" the image "data", and not focused on the guy with the camera, or the camera, or the way to USE the "camera" and "the lens" as a way to do photography. It's mostly about the4 idea that one uses X brand of software and performs a series of specific "software operations" in order to create "an image". Not a printed photograph, but "an image".

Photography books are about the craft of photography. In the field, or in the studio, and are about issues outside of the software manipulation of "data" and "files".

 

[robbins.photo]

Buy some PHOTOGRAPHY textbooks. Buy some of the John Hedgecoe books about how to do PHOTOGRAPHY. They teach you about photographic technique, and the fundamentals, as well as advanced techniques. These books are without a doubt NOT like today's typical, new-style recipe books, meaning the kind that tell readers how to take a turd, and how to then use a specific piece of Adobe software to perform a,b,c,d,e,f operations on said image file and finally perform operations g and h, in order to end up with a digital image. Not at all. THese books focus more on field- and studio craft.

Go to Amazon. Look up John Hedgecoe + photography books. Buy a couple. Problems solved. He was older than you and now he's dead--so you can win any arguments you might happen to have with him.

Were are you finding these recipe books? I've got an entire shelf of photography books and none of them work like that. I find the recipe thing to be more or a blog/website/youtube issue.

Almost everything where the emphasis is on "software first", and on specific brands of software, like Adobe Photoshop XX or Adobe Lightroom, etc.. Same with the various books that are built around a specific camera model. Books based on digital imaging as the way to "Create" pictures--based on taking an image and then manipulating the chit out of it. Like most people do today. Books where 75 to 90 percent of the "image" comes from "software operation" are not photography books--they are books about digital imaging.

Books that are allll about "manipulating" the image "data", and not focused on the guy with the camera, or the camera, or the way to USE the "camera" and "the lens" as a way to do photography. It's mostly about the4 idea that one uses X brand of software and performs a series of specific "software operations" in order to create "an image". Not a printed photograph, but "an image".

Photography books are about the craft of photography. In the field, or in the studio, and are about issues outside of the software manipulation of "data" and "files".

So to boil this all down then into a simpler form, more or less what your saying here is "You damn kids get off my lawn!"

Lol..

Seriously though I get where your coming from, way to much emphasis on post processing and not nearly enough emphasis on getting a shot that is actually worth post processing in the first place. Not sure how to fix that though, other than to just put out the best work you can and show folks what is possible when you really put the effort into getting the shot right first.

 

[bribrius]

Were are you finding these recipe books? I've got an entire shelf of photography books and none of them work like that. I find the recipe thing to be more or a blog/website/youtube issue.

Almost everything where the emphasis is on "software first", and on specific brands of software, like Adobe Photoshop XX or Adobe Lightroom, etc.. Same with the various books that are built around a specific camera model. Books based on digital imaging as the way to "Create" pictures--based on taking an image and then manipulating the chit out of it. Like most people do today. Books where 75 to 90 percent of the "image" comes from "software operation" are not photography books--they are books about digital imaging.

Books that are allll about "manipulating" the image "data", and not focused on the guy with the camera, or the camera, or the way to USE the "camera" and "the lens" as a way to do photography. It's mostly about the4 idea that one uses X brand of software and performs a series of specific "software operations" in order to create "an image". Not a printed photograph, but "an image".

Photography books are about the craft of photography. In the field, or in the studio, and are about issues outside of the software manipulation of "data" and "files".

So to boil this all down then into a simpler form, more or less what your saying here is "You damn kids get off my lawn!"

Lol..

Seriously though I get where your coming from, way to much emphasis on post processing and not nearly enough emphasis on getting a shot that is actually worth post processing in the first place. Not sure how to fix that though, other than to just put out the best work you can and show folks what is possible when you really put the effort into getting the shot right first.

HIM?????? HIM?????????????????????? ive been posting about this all freakn DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I EVEN TRIED TO GET A NEW SECTION FOR THE TASK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Scatterbrained]

Buy some PHOTOGRAPHY textbooks. Buy some of the John Hedgecoe books about how to do PHOTOGRAPHY. They teach you about photographic technique, and the fundamentals, as well as advanced techniques. These books are without a doubt NOT like today's typical, new-style recipe books, meaning the kind that tell readers how to take a turd, and how to then use a specific piece of Adobe software to perform a,b,c,d,e,f operations on said image file and finally perform operations g and h, in order to end up with a digital image. Not at all. THese books focus more on field- and studio craft.

Go to Amazon. Look up John Hedgecoe + photography books. Buy a couple. Problems solved. He was older than you and now he's dead--so you can win any arguments you might happen to have with him.

Were are you finding these recipe books? I've got an entire shelf of photography books and none of them work like that. I find the recipe thing to be more or a blog/website/youtube issue.

Almost everything where the emphasis is on "software first", and on specific brands of software, like Adobe Photoshop XX or Adobe Lightroom, etc.. Same with the various books that are built around a specific camera model. Books based on digital imaging as the way to "Create" pictures--based on taking an image and then manipulating the chit out of it. Like most people do today. Books where 75 to 90 percent of the "image" comes from "software operation" are not photography books--they are books about digital imaging.

Books that are allll about "manipulating" the image "data", and not focused on the guy with the camera, or the camera, or the way to USE the "camera" and "the lens" as a way to do photography. It's mostly about the4 idea that one uses X brand of software and performs a series of specific "software operations" in order to create "an image". Not a printed photograph, but "an image".

Photography books are about the craft of photography. In the field, or in the studio, and are about issues outside of the software manipulation of "data" and "files".

Ah, I got it. So what you're saying is I'm buying all the wrong kinds of books then? :lmao:

Were are you finding these recipe books? I've got an entire shelf of photography books and none of them work like that. I find the recipe thing to be more or a blog/website/youtube issue.

Almost everything where the emphasis is on "software first", and on specific brands of software, like Adobe Photoshop XX or Adobe Lightroom, etc.. Same with the various books that are built around a specific camera model. Books based on digital imaging as the way to "Create" pictures--based on taking an image and then manipulating the chit out of it. Like most people do today. Books where 75 to 90 percent of the "image" comes from "software operation" are not photography books--they are books about digital imaging.

Books that are allll about "manipulating" the image "data", and not focused on the guy with the camera, or the camera, or the way to USE the "camera" and "the lens" as a way to do photography. It's mostly about the4 idea that one uses X brand of software and performs a series of specific "software operations" in order to create "an image". Not a printed photograph, but "an image".

Photography books are about the craft of photography. In the field, or in the studio, and are about issues outside of the software manipulation of "data" and "files".

So to boil this all down then into a simpler form, more or less what your saying here is "You damn kids get off my lawn!"

Lol..

Seriously though I get where your coming from, way to much emphasis on post processing and not nearly enough emphasis on getting a shot that is actually worth post processing in the first place. Not sure how to fix that though, other than to just put out the best work you can and show folks what is possible when you really put the effort into getting the shot right first.

I think it becomes a bit of a circle jerk of sorts. One photographer develops a distinct style, people like it, photographer realizes there's money to be made telling people how to get his "look", hundreds of copycats start imitating his "look". New photographer develops new look, lots of people like it, rinse and repeat. . . . .Of course, then there are the people who are known for there processing trying to give photography tips, and getting lauded for it. I remember when Scott Kelby came out with his "Crush the Composition" video, I was scalded for basically pointing out that the video was an hours worth of nothing. Apparently to those people the whole "keep taking pictures of the subject till you get one that looks good" was somehow groundbreaking and how dare I say otherwise. So yes Darrel, there is a sizable market of shooters that just want to be told how to get that "look". They want the formula, not the math behind it.

On another board, in a discussion about composition, design, and overall "visual language", I encountered people for whom the mere suggestion that the "rule of thirds" wasn't the end all be all of photographic composition was so blasphemous as to warrant a lynching from anyone who dare mention it. Heaven forbid they be asked to think a bit.

 

[robbins.photo]

Almost everything where the emphasis is on "software first", and on specific brands of software, like Adobe Photoshop XX or Adobe Lightroom, etc.. Same with the various books that are built around a specific camera model. Books based on digital imaging as the way to "Create" pictures--based on taking an image and then manipulating the chit out of it. Like most people do today. Books where 75 to 90 percent of the "image" comes from "software operation" are not photography books--they are books about digital imaging.

Books that are allll about "manipulating" the image "data", and not focused on the guy with the camera, or the camera, or the way to USE the "camera" and "the lens" as a way to do photography. It's mostly about the4 idea that one uses X brand of software and performs a series of specific "software operations" in order to create "an image". Not a printed photograph, but "an image".

Photography books are about the craft of photography. In the field, or in the studio, and are about issues outside of the software manipulation of "data" and "files".

So to boil this all down then into a simpler form, more or less what your saying here is "You damn kids get off my lawn!"

Lol..

Seriously though I get where your coming from, way to much emphasis on post processing and not nearly enough emphasis on getting a shot that is actually worth post processing in the first place. Not sure how to fix that though, other than to just put out the best work you can and show folks what is possible when you really put the effort into getting the shot right first.

HIM?????? HIM?????????????????????? ive been posting about this all freakn DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I EVEN TRIED TO GET A NEW SECTION FOR THE TASK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh hey.. Bribrius. Didn't see you there buddy. Sorry, what were you saying again? Lol

 

[minicoop1985]

Buy some PHOTOGRAPHY textbooks. Buy some of the John Hedgecoe books about how to do PHOTOGRAPHY. They teach you about photographic technique, and the fundamentals, as well as advanced techniques. These books are without a doubt NOT like today's typical, new-style recipe books, meaning the kind that tell readers how to take a turd, and how to then use a specific piece of Adobe software to perform a,b,c,d,e,f operations on said image file and finally perform operations g and h, in order to end up with a digital image. Not at all. THese books focus more on field- and studio craft.

Go to Amazon. Look up John Hedgecoe + photography books. Buy a couple. Problems solved. He was older than you and now he's dead--so you can win any arguments you might happen to have with him.

Were are you finding these recipe books? I've got an entire shelf of photography books and none of them work like that. I find the recipe thing to be more or a blog/website/youtube issue.

Almost everything where the emphasis is on "software first", and on specific brands of software, like Adobe Photoshop XX or Adobe Lightroom, etc.. Same with the various books that are built around a specific camera model. Books based on digital imaging as the way to "Create" pictures--based on taking an image and then manipulating the chit out of it. Like most people do today. Books where 75 to 90 percent of the "image" comes from "software operation" are not photography books--they are books about digital imaging.

Books that are allll about "manipulating" the image "data", and not focused on the guy with the camera, or the camera, or the way to USE the "camera" and "the lens" as a way to do photography. It's mostly about the4 idea that one uses X brand of software and performs a series of specific "software operations" in order to create "an image". Not a printed photograph, but "an image".

Photography books are about the craft of photography. In the field, or in the studio, and are about issues outside of the software manipulation of "data" and "files".

This is one of the main reasons I have zero desire to learn how to use Photoshop. I use Lightroom and have every intent of screwing with my product shots, but that's one thing. It's not like I'm taking expensive images for the fashion industry where everything needs to have added drama or whatever it is they do (me + fashion = no) and I need photoshop to get things in a very specific way. For what I do, Lightroom works for me, or, my preferred method: film, no editing. Get it right off the bat or don't do it at all.

 

[Designer]

Get a mentor.

im looking. im looking. put the word out, telling people im into photography more trying to get to know others into it. Retired photographers of fifty years or whatever arent just jumping out of the woodwork around here looking to pass on their knowledge.

http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/beyond-basics/125099-official-mentors-bio-list.html#post1258496