To all smokers :)

[Xmetal]

Arty I thought you were too young to get laid?

j/k mate.

As for smoking - I smoke like a chimney when i'm at college or doing something in the Band but i'm not addicted - besides we're all going to die someday.

 

[Andrea K]

i dont care that people smoke, besides that they are killing themselves

but i hate it when people smoke around me becaue i can't stand the smell uke: uke-rig:

 

[Andrea K]

i think im a little late on that, only read the first page...now ill have to go back and read what everyone is hugging each other about

 

[Artemis]

Arty I thought you were too young to get laid?

j/k mate.

As for smoking - I smoke like a chimney when i'm at college or doing something in the Band but i'm not addicted - besides we're all going to die someday.

:meh: Mate hehe no no, maybe in america I would be, but im in UK...and where did that come from?

No offence Ehmon, but I think you have a rather Narrow View, car exhaust does cause a lot of problems, but I dont drive yet, and soon the electric car will be out.

Cars are also a necessity, ambulances are needed, we need buses, people sometimes NEED to go somewhere, and talking a 3 day walk to get there may not be so easily done....yes cars could be used LESS, but defenetly smoking could be used less.

I mean what? does it get you to point A to point B? Does it help you in any real way except for calm you down, which can be done using techniques such as Bio Feedback, or simply relaxation brathing techniques?

So? what happens if someone close to you does get a disease from smoking? you cant take it back, I guess some people could feel good cause atleast their £10 a week is going towards education, and the only simple side affects are early death, horrible smell, and possibly killing loved ones, so...whats the harm eh?

Sorry...I know I go over the top and I dont you dont take that personally...

 

[ehmon]

:meh: Mate hehe no no, maybe in america I would be, but im in UK...and where did that come from?

No offence Ehmon, but I think you have a rather Narrow View, car exhaust does cause a lot of problems, but I dont drive yet, and soon the electric car will be out.

Cars are also a necessity, ambulances are needed, we need buses, people sometimes NEED to go somewhere, and talking a 3 day walk to get there may not be so easily done....yes cars could be used LESS, but defenetly smoking could be used less.

I mean what? does it get you to point A to point B? Does it help you in any real way except for calm you down, which can be done using techniques such as Bio Feedback, or simply relaxation brathing techniques?

So? what happens if someone close to you does get a disease from smoking? you cant take it back, I guess some people could feel good cause atleast their £10 a week is going towards education, and the only simple side affects are early death, horrible smell, and possibly killing loved ones, so...whats the harm eh?

Sorry...I know I go over the top and I dont you dont take that personally...

Tell you what my grandma is dying from throat cancer most likely because she lived with a smoker all her life, and not like I want to see her go but she has lived a long and happy life. At the very least she can say she has lived her life to the fullest.
On the other hand my dad who is very young is also dying from cancer melanoma to be precise and I do blame the lack of ozone on that. I also do blame the lack of ozone on the fact the world is heavily polluted by senseless car exhaust. I understand there needs to be fire trucks and ambulances and such, but all together the “essential” vehicles probably make up 000,000,000,000,000,001 of the total cars on earth as for the rest of em them you can say we do need cars yes, but do we need SUV’s, Hummers, and muscle cars?
Although now that I think about it I would have to agree that my analogy on cars vs cigarettes isn’t very accurate because the reality is cars are way worse. They polluting the earth faster than anything we know, they are destroying our ozone which is killing the planet through global warming, cancer, and killing off thousands of species of plant and animal life. There are wars all over the world due to the value of oil. The oil is being spilt in our oceans and making it inhospitable for fish, birds, whales…
In short cars are the direct cause of millions of people (including children) that will die at a very early age due to cancer, the world is being left a ruin, and soon it will be the direct cause of the earth warming up and completely wiping out any existence of life on earth as we know it.
Let me put forth this question, if we could go back in time 100 years and choose to eliminate either the car or the cigarette what would you choose?

*note* If you think walking past a smoker and breathing in a bit of smoke is bad try biking to work on a “SMOG WARNING” day gasping for air and only being able to inhale polluted air from thousands people sitting in cars that are most likely driving a short distance that could have walked.
*note* I am in Canada not the states and belive it or not our air quality is worse here, and also I too go over the top so dont take it too personally as well

 

[LittleMan]

I think the thing is, there will always be dangerous things in this world. It's whether we choose to accept them or not.
Like we accept driving 70mph on the highway even though it is very dangerous and there ARE a lot of deaths because of it. BUT if we didn't drive fast we would never get anywhere so we accept the risk to enjoy the extra time we have NOT driving.

Guns, Airplanes, etc...
So, the thing is... if you can accept the danger and think it's worth the pleasure in what you are doing. That is up to you. But remember that everything that you do effects people around you and your friends/family.

For different families/groups there will be different rules that you should follow. We shouldn't ban anything because it's impossible to ban anything... remember what happened when they tried to 'ban' alchahol in the US...

When you ban something it's human nature to WANT it more. And we will get it one way or another.

All it is, is accepting the ammount of risk to the ammount of pleasure or worth. because everything has a certain ammount of risk or danger to it.

That's all I have to say.
Hope I'm not just totally off the wall....

 

[danalec99]

Aren't we done with this, yet?

in most countries including mine the government is raking in billions of tax dollars that go towards better education, medical care, and even aid to other counties in need, (screaming in the voice of Frank Costanza from Seinfeld) That’s right I smoke so that a small child in a far away country may not starve!

Classic!!!! :lmao:

 

[Corry]

Seriously...where is that stick? And is this still a dead horse? It's so mutilated I can no longer tell.

 

[Artemis]

Tell you what my grandma is dying from throat cancer most likely because she lived with a smoker all her life, and not like I want to see her go but she has lived a long and happy life. At the very least she can say she has lived her life to the fullest.
On the other hand my dad who is very young is also dying from cancer melanoma to be precise and I do blame the lack of ozone on that. I also do blame the lack of ozone on the fact the world is heavily polluted by senseless car exhaust. I understand there needs to be fire trucks and ambulances and such, but all together the “essential” vehicles probably make up 000,000,000,000,000,001 of the total cars on earth as for the rest of em them you can say we do need cars yes, but do we need SUV’s, Hummers, and muscle cars?
Although now that I think about it I would have to agree that my analogy on cars vs cigarettes isn’t very accurate because the reality is cars are way worse. They polluting the earth faster than anything we know, they are destroying our ozone which is killing the planet through global warming, cancer, and killing off thousands of species of plant and animal life. There are wars all over the world due to the value of oil. The oil is being spilt in our oceans and making it inhospitable for fish, birds, whales…
In short cars are the direct cause of millions of people (including children) that will die at a very early age due to cancer, the world is being left a ruin, and soon it will be the direct cause of the earth warming up and completely wiping out any existence of life on earth as we know it.
Let me put forth this question, if we could go back in time 100 years and choose to eliminate either the car or the cigarette what would you choose?

*note* If you think walking past a smoker and breathing in a bit of smoke is bad try biking to work on a “SMOG WARNING” day gasping for air and only being able to inhale polluted air from thousands people sitting in cars that are most likely driving a short distance that could have walked.
*note* I am in Canada not the states and belive it or not our air quality is worse here, and also I too go over the top so dont take it too personally as well

You make strong points, and very valid ones at that.

For the thing about muscle cars, I defenetly agree, they have no use, and I believe yes people should walk if they can, but of course sometimes there are reasons...but there are defenetly too many cars on the road and I understand that.

Im sorry to hear about Grandma, and I dont believe there is anything I can say to that except I am sorry.

As for me deciding to ban cigaretts and cars, what you are asking me is something I can not, and am not supposed to answer, im a 16 year old photographer, It would not be of my concern.

However, if I had to choose, id pick cigarettes simply because it would get us closer toi the world we have, and I would not risk making it worse by changing it with no cars...

Glad were able to debate this without hurt feelings though

 

[ferny]

They polluting the earth faster than anything we know

Erm you do realise what making that computer you're sitting in front of did to the environment when it was made and what it will do afterwards, don't you?

Let me put forth this question, if we could go back in time 100 years and choose to eliminate either the car or the cigarette what would you choose?

In essence, you're asking would I choose the internal combustion engine or a cigarette? Erm, I think I'll take the one which has actually moved the world forward. There wouldn't be a cable in the ocean allowing you to see this post because I wouldn't be able to make it, you'd not have that computer and you'd not have all those tasty treats in your cupboard. Think of all the diseases and illnesses which vanished once fresh fruit and veg could be taken into towns and cities and shipped from abroad before it spoiled. If we didn't have it we'd still be using steam power and that isn't exactly healthy or good for the environment.

We could go back a few thousand years and ask a similar question. Would you carry on with your wooden spears to catch your dinner or would you go and smelt some metal so you could have an axe? Take the second option and you're polluting the Earth. But would it be ok because less people would be doing it?

Like we accept driving 70mph on the highway even though it is very dangerous and there ARE a lot of deaths because of it. BUT if we didn't drive fast we would never get anywhere so we accept the risk to enjoy the extra time we have NOT driving.

It's not the speed which kills, it's the hitting something with the car. And that's normally down to poor driving. Over here they justify speed cameras by claiming speed is the major factor in road accidents, completely ignoring the studies in England, Italy and other countries which say the real number is something like .3%. Most accidents are caused by poor driving, not the speed the car was going. In other words, they'd have had the accident if they were doing 70mph or 100mph. Blaming speed covers up lack of education they could easily do something about. But then, that'd cost money, not make it.

Sorry, any chance to have a whinge and I'm there.

 

[Artemis]

I gotto completely 100% agree with my dear friend furny here, and I im slightly impressed to be honest.
So yeh, could you perhaps tell us 3 real advantages that cigerattes have that cant be done easily by anything else?

 

[mad_malteaser]

Wow your all gonna hate me for this (bringing a dead post back to life, especially since I see you have made peace amongst yourselves)) but I got here late and I think that’s a valid reason to open healing wounds. layball:

This is just my opinion but for the people telling me their sick of my second hand smoke doing them harm well like you I am sick of all your pollution from your cars, trucks, motorbikes and airplanes giving me cancer among many other health related deaths, and not to mention wrecking my ozone for me and my children yes your second hand exhaust harms my kids as well as yours (and even that goofy lookin one next door )

Now on a completely unrelated topic, here is the newest photo in my collection. :twisted:

First off, sorry I'm late to this but I was outside smoking a cigarette. :lmao: And seeing this pic has made me want another. There's nothing like coffee and a cigarette, any time of day or night.

Now, this whole cancer thing - I just don't buy it. I know people who have smoked for 60 odd years, and ended up dying in their sleep from old age. And on the other hand, I know people who haven't touched a cigarette in their entire lives and are now battling various types of cancer. Look at Roy Castle as a perfect example!

And when I read stuff in the papers everyday about all the different things that can cause cancer, well... if eating salmon or whatever the latest thing happens to be can cause cancer, why worry about what smoking can or can't do. If you read the papers and the NHS press releases, we're all going to die from one kind of cancer or another anyway.

Smoking happens to be something I enjoy. I'm respectful of people around me who don't smoke, I'm very aware about where my smoke is going and will make every effort to make sure it doesn't affect non-smokers - I refuse to smoke indoors and around people who are eating too and yet I still have to endure the lectures and nagging from friends who "don't like it".

Again, I know this is a pretty dead thread, but I still wanted to put my two cents in - everything above is not intended to cause arguement and I respect everything everyone else said here. Now, I'm off outside for a smoke! :hug::

 

[ehmon]

Erm you do realise what making that computer you're sitting in front of did to the environment when it was made and what it will do afterwards, don't you? .

The computer is not destroying the ozone and giving people like my Dad skin cancer!

In essence, you're asking would I choose the internal combustion engine or a cigarette? Erm, I think I'll take the one which has actually moved the world forward. There wouldn't be a cable in the ocean allowing you to see this post because I wouldn't be able to make it, you'd not have that computer and you'd not have all those tasty treats in your cupboard. Think of all the diseases and illnesses which vanished once fresh fruit and veg could be taken into towns and cities and shipped from abroad before it spoiled. If we didn't have it we'd still be using steam power and that isn't exactly healthy or good for the environment. .

You are a narrow minded person (sorry don’t mean to be harsh) but the truth is that if a combustion engine hadn’t been invented then advancements in other forms of transportation would have been made. It’s not as though we would have stopped evolving if the gas powered engine wasn’t around, would have found much more economical and environmentally friendly ways.

We could go back a few thousand years and ask a similar question. Would you carry on with your wooden spears to catch your dinner or would you go and smelt some metal so you could have an axe? Take the second option and you're polluting the Earth. But would it be ok because less people would be doing it?
Sorry, any chance to have a whinge and I'm there.

I have evolved beyond the need for such items as I am a vegetarian and my food is very easy to sneek up on and catch.

I gotto completely 100% agree with my dear friend furny here, and I im slightly impressed to be honest.
So yeh, could you perhaps tell us 3 real advantages that cigerattes have that cant be done easily by anything else?

I never said there were benefits to smoking I only said that the real criminals are the ones who wastefully drive around polluting the earth and killing the ozone which in turn is giving everyone cancer!
Yes I agree people need cars, but do we need to all have one? No 1 car per family should be fine. Do we need to “go for a cruise”? Take the dog for a car ride? Drive to the corner store for our smokes? No we choose to, just as people choose to smoke! Cept when you drive it cost way more, it becomes waaaaaaaay more addicting, and it harms the ones you love, as well as every other living thing on earth!
Look I'm sure everything we do in life has its good and bad aspects, but to say we as smokers are more offensive than those that drive cars is a laugh and there is no way anyone can really dispute that.

 

[Corry]

 

[mentos_007]

oh gosh I didn't expected that my post will live sooo long. And i started it and now I'd like to tell you something. At the beggining I told yh that I smoke and I don't mind ppl smoking. But now? We have July 2005 almost 8 months since the first post has been written in this thread. And in 2005 I smoke only 1 and a half of a cigarette!!!! I'm so proud of myself that it was only 1 and a half... not 150 or 1500!