Tresspassing

[jake337]

Exactly! I was raised in an age where if your toy went into the neighbor's yard, you asked their premisson before you went into get it. If I want to take a photo of something on someone elses property - I ask their permission first.

I've been raised in the age of knowing your neighbors. Asking my neighbor permission to grab a toy is pretty ridiculous, unless they have a beware of dog sign of course.

As to trespassing for photographic purposes, well I haven't been in that situation yet. I would just ask ahead of time and maybe offer a print of what you plan on taking. I wouldn't knock on their door and ask if I can use their backyard right now.

When I was a child, we knew our neighbors too, but you still asked permission because it was the polite, respectful thing to do. It seems in recent years people have lost sight of politeness and respect and taken the attitude that, what's mine is mine and whats yours is mine and if I want it I'll take it. I'm old school and thats just my opinon. :er:

I really don't know anyone like this but... maybe it's the area you live in.

My opinion is based solely on the toy scenario of course. And on the opposite side I would have no issue if my neighbors kids football landed in my yard, and they jumped the fence to grab it quick like. As long as the respect my property(plants, flowers, etc.) More than likely I'd be tossing it back to them anyways. And then there's the is it a gated yard deal. We never jumped privacy fences, we also asked if the homeowner was present out back. But if no one is home there was no way we were waiting for possibly hours for them to get home to continue our football/baseball/soccer game.

I just see a difference in using my property and some kids having fun and grabbing their toy. Just my opinion of course.

 

[jake337]

Good thing I'm not a criminal, and am fully aware of my state's laws on cannabis.

Places that have decriminalized non-medical cannabis in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is sad how standards are slipping everywhere isn't it?

It is sad how judgmental people are of a harmless plant.

Let me guess John, you drink alcohol, right? Feel free to point fingers if you've never once had a sip of alcohol, never got a speeding ticket, and never taken drugs with more side effects than marijuana (that means any prescription drugs and non-prescription).

Standards aren't slipping, people are educating themselves on cannabis and finding that it's 1000x safer than drinking alcohol to become intoxicated. But, of course you don't realize that because you aren't educated on the subject. And it's your right to remain uneducated if you so choose. It's your life, buddy. :thumbup:

“In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care." -Francis Young, DEA Administrative Law Judge​

Fixed! One can overdose from almost every non-prescription drug available.

Cannabis is quite possibly one of the safest, substances on earth.

Don't blame the substance because of the negative issues that derive from it's prohibition and non-regulation.

 

[tirediron]

Alcohol? Yes, in very small amounts (I have three remaining cans of the last case of Guinness I purchased ~3 years ago in my refrigerator). To the best of my knowledge, that level of possession and consumption violates no crimminal or civil statute anywhere in North America, unlike marijuana use in the state of Maine.

Speeding Ticket? Nope, never had one, nor any other moving violation either.

Drugs? As best I can remember (nb: I had my tonsils removed when I was 3; I don't know what I might have been prescribed then), I have been prescribed Penicillin once for a minor infection and an anti-inflamatory once. Never having consumed it, I could not comment on their relationship to Marijuana or any other illicit drug.

With respect to your citation, I cannot imagine how a judge feels qualified to make a statement on what is arguably a medical matter. I agree that marijuana as prescribed by a doctor can be a vaild treatment, just like any other controlled drug.

 

[jake337]

Alcohol? Yes, in very small amounts (I have three remaining cans of the last case of Guinness I purchased ~3 years ago in my refrigerator). To the best of my knowledge, that level of possession and consumption violates no crimminal or civil statute anywhere in North America, unlike marijuana use in the state of Maine.

Speeding Ticket? Nope, never had one, nor any other moving violation either.

Drugs? As best I can remember (nb: I had my tonsils removed when I was 3; I don't know what I might have been prescribed then), I have been prescribed Penicillin once for a minor infection and an anti-inflamatory once. Never having consumed it, I could not comment on their relationship to Marijuana or any other illicit drug.

With respect to your citation, I cannot imagine how a judge feels qualified to make a statement on what is arguably a medical matter. I agree that marijuana as prescribed by a doctor can be a vaild treatment, just like any other controlled drug.

The medical matter is one of the biggest issues. Doctors will prescribe almost anything to anyone. A 15 year kid could convince their idiot parents that cannabis is the only way to go and have a prescription for medical marijuana.

Complete legalization and regulation is the only cure to the issue I can devise. I could get cannabis much easier in highs school than liqueur. Drug dealers will sell to any age. Liqueur stores not so much.

I'm like you when it comes to alcohol though. I have a half bottle of Hennessy Privilege that someone brought to Jacob's baby shower(Asian thing I guess).


But anyhoooooo, how did we get so far off topic?

Back on topic! It's always better to ask first then get shot dead trespassing in Texas later!

 

[RedVixen81]

Man i love living in Texas...shoot first ask questions later...j/k.. but watch out in the country they'll get ya!

 

[Redeyejedi]

[/soapboxrant] re: tresspassing

a few notions that haven't been given consideration; privacy and perception.
it may not be illegal to 'trespass' (which by definition ( IS illegal) but it may certainly be an invasion of privacy.

and, as we have seen quite recently, perception can mean the difference between getting the shot and getting shot.
a white kid walking on 'private' property in the distance with a tripod across his back and a a black object in his hands may not conjure up the same perceptions as if that individual where of darker dermatological pigment. (tripod becomes rifle, black object becomes contraband)

i for one, could never chance trespassing private property where the likelihood is that i will mistaken for a "criminal" up to no good, not a working stiff looking to nail a shot to put a table on my bread.

in reality, every situation is different and should be approached with a level professionalism, courtesy, and 'what if it was me/how would i feel' attitude, but above all, good judgement as to your own safety and privacy of property owner.


what if one was out shooting without permission on private property and;
witnesses a crime?
gets hurt, shot, lost or bitten?
finds oil reserve with a aurum vien?
damages something?

so, i most always ask for permission first if possible, if not, consider not shooting or rescheuling/leaving a note.... even though it's easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission, whoever said doing the right thing was easy in the first place?
[/soapboxrant]

 

[bratkinson]

Although trespassing laws may vary from state to state, one thing is true: Trespassing is Trespassing. Whether it's a kid cutting through your yard on the way school or someone standing in the middle of my tomato patch taking pictures.

While cutting some slack to a kid taking an ocassional short cut or retieving an errant baseball is being a good neighbor, much beyond that is pushing one's luck.

About 2 years ago, shortly after I got up, I discovered someone in my front yard digging a hole with a hand shovel! Is that trespassing or not? Only after I came out yelling he identified himself as a town surveyor and the 'marker' was 2" under my grass. Turns out he was right! He's lucky I didn't come out shooting! Perhaps he rang my doorbell first and I didn't hear it. Perhaps not.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is where does one draw the line, as a property owner, of what is or is not trespassing? Someone taking pictures of a property for sale across the street is no problem. Someone taking pictures of a group of people standing on my lawn...I have a problem with that.

But what about trespassing on commercial property. A factory, or an office park, or, as I've seen here and elsewhere, on a railroad or airport? These days, many businesses have security fences, and/or guards protecting their property. Trespassing there is obviously limited...even for a quick snap.

But what about something not so obviously secured? An abandoned factory, or even a railroad? Both the factory and the railroad is clearly private property. Even in an abandoned state, they are owned by someone or some business...maybe the bank. Both pose a very serious safety concern. An abandoned factory may collapse and a train can come through at any time. Both can happen without warning, and can be near silent! It might seem reasonable to think 'oh, that business doesn't care', and perhaps some employees don't care. Just because a trespasser is not observed doing so, does that make it OK?

And what about "taggers" drawing grafitti on everything from bridges, rail cars, and buildings? Are THEY trespassing? How about if they are tagging your garage?

And what about the trespasser that gets flattened by near silent (electric) 150mph train? (top speed in USA) Were they trespassing or is it the railroads' fault they got flattened? Some food for thought. Note...I am a railroad employee.

 

[manaheim]

Out of curiosity... how many of those of you who say "I wouldn't go onto someone's property without asking permission" would take a picture of someone in the street without first asking if it was ok?

I take pictures of people on the street all the time and I never (ever) ask if it's ok. Yes, even if I take a picture of a kid. If someone asks me to delete the picture I took, I more often than not tell them I was shooting something just to the left of right of them.

(Yes, it's horrible and yes I'm a huge jerk. I get it... not the point)

 

[Redeyejedi]

I take pictures of people on the street all the time and I never (ever) ask if it's ok. Yes, even if I take a picture of a kid. If someone asks me to delete the picture I took, I more often than not tell them I was shooting something just to the left of right of them.

(Yes, it's horrible and yes I'm a huge jerk. I get it... not the point)

i do this too, but don't feel horrible about it, nonetheleast. i too say i was shooting just beyond or aside of the kid, then respond with, "not to worry, he's not model quality anyhow and why is dressed like he is getting ready to go on a safari in nairobi?" - then the puffy-lizzard, chest flaring, pect-pounding, neadrathol approaches asking if i have a problem...answering 'not nearly as serious as your blood pressure mad mcenroe' , which then goes one of two ways.

 

[Mrgiggls]

This has been an interesting read. Personally, if there was something interesting to photograph on someone else's property I would make every effort to obtain permission from the owner before even thinking of setting foot on it. If the owner isn't available, that's just my tough luck.

Respecting people doesn't cost a thing, and I see far too little of it these days.

And Red brings up a good point...

Man i love living in Texas...shoot first ask questions later...j/k.. but watch out in the country they'll get ya!

Some people in the world are not very tolerant of strangers walking around on their land uninvited, and you just never know. Maybe you see a beautiful country scene with some livestock like horses, sheep, etc. And maybe the owner has recently had problems with livestock getting stolen (it happens all the time). Maybe the owner is driving along with his rifle in his truck (as almost any rancher does). You can see where this scenario might lead.

 

[cgipson1]

Hmmmm.. idea for sign, maybe?

Trespassers make GOOD fertilizer!

 

[SCraig]

Out of curiosity... how many of those of you who say "I wouldn't go onto someone's property without asking permission" would take a picture of someone in the street without first asking if it was ok?

I take pictures of people on the street all the time and I never (ever) ask if it's ok. Yes, even if I take a picture of a kid. If someone asks me to delete the picture I took, I more often than not tell them I was shooting something just to the left of right of them.

(Yes, it's horrible and yes I'm a huge jerk. I get it... not the point)

Congratulations. You hit on the exact reason that I seldom take street shots. I personally (note that I said "Personally") feel that people have a right to expect a certain amount of privacy even when in a public place. I positively detest news crews on the street and told one once that if she didn't get that damn microphone out of my face she was going to eat it.

About the only times I take people photographs are in places where they would logically expect to be photographed. In costume at an event, competitors in a sporting event, anything like that is fair game. Someone walking down the street minding their own business, once again in my opinion, is not.

I do, however, agree that there are similarities in shooting people on the street and going on someone's property without permission. Just as I will not trespass on someone's property I will not trespass on their personal space either. To each their own ideals.

I will mention this though: In this part of the country there are a lot of people still processing "Moonshine" and there are a lot of people growing marijuana. Getting caught in an area like that is a guaranteed way to disappear from the face of the Earth.

 

[Joel_W]

Interesting thread to say the least. As for me, I live on Long Island, New York, and trespassing can end up with you being arrested and spend a few hours in jail. Case in point. My son, then just 20, and 6 or so of his friends, decided to check out an old abandoned mental hospital. Well, the guard saw them, called the police, and later I got the call to come on down to the police station and pick up my son. That wasn't the only gift they had for me. Seems that he, along with his friends had an appointment in court for trespassing. Each one got a fine and a warning.

 

[slackercruster]

I do it. If they don't like it they throw me out. If it looks like they will shoot at me, I don't.

 

[12sndsgood]

Being thrown out seems like less of a worry then being arrested