Tresspassing

[banderson]

I generally like to ask for permission, however- There have definitely been times where I haven't. Especially when it is just inside of a no trespassing zone, OR when I know that I will kick myself over not getting the shot lol

 

[TimGilbertson]

About 2 years ago, shortly after I got up, I discovered someone in my front yard digging a hole with a hand shovel! Is that trespassing or not? Only after I came out yelling he identified himself as a town surveyor and the 'marker' was 2" under my grass. Turns out he was right! He's lucky I didn't come out shooting! Perhaps he rang my doorbell first and I didn't hear it. Perhaps not.

I'm also, among other things, a trained surveyor. I don't think I've ever asked a property owner to dig up a lot pin, because I know where it is and it's part of my job to find it. If we're on the topic of illegalities, it's illegal to tamper with lot pins or any other survey markers (not that it'd ever be enforced).

 

[SCraig]

I'm also, among other things, a trained surveyor. I don't think I've ever asked a property owner to dig up a lot pin, because I know where it is and it's part of my job to find it. If we're on the topic of illegalities, it's illegal to tamper with lot pins or any other survey markers (not that it'd ever be enforced).

I ran a survey crew for 12 years. I never surveyed a parcel that I didn't at least try and let the property owner know who we were and what we were doing. Even if we were expected I told them who we were. Sometimes they weren't home or just didn't answer the door but I at least tried. If I had to get on an adjoining parcel I'd do the same thing. Not because I had to but out of respect for them and their property.

I don't know how things are in other parts of the world but around here people have a very, very high regard for their property. I recall one survey very vividly, even after nearly 30 years. Two women had lived next door to each other for 20 years and were close friends. One of them wanted to put up a fence and hired us to stake the property line. It was in a subdivision, we had good control, and found that the front corner fell a couple of feet over in the driveway of one of the parcels. We didn't find the back corner and planned to go back the next day and finish up. Next morning my boss told me to hold off going back out there. Seems those two close friends had a falling out over the property corner and one of them shot the other one. It didn't kill her but it put her in critical care. We didn't finish that survey.

While this is an extreme example it does show the high regard people hold their property in. I would really caution photographers that there are some people who truly will not tolerate trespassers on what they perceive to be their corner of the world. There are places where people will take action first and ask questions later. There are also a lot of rural areas where they won't even ask the questions. I've been there and I've seen some.

 

[table1349]

Fixed! One can overdose from almost every non-prescription drug available.

Cannabis is quite possibly one of the safest, substances on earth.

Don't blame the substance because of the negative issues that derive from it's prohibition and non-regulation.

You forgot to start your post with "Once upon a time in a magical kingdom..."

http://www.clinicalcorrelations.org/?p=2877
Cannabinoid Hyperemesis or "Marijuana Morning Sickness" -- clinmed/2001110001v1 -- Clinical Medicine NetPrints
Cannabinoid hyperemesis: cyclical hyperemesis in association with chronic cannabis abuse

Dangers of Smoking Marijuana
Marijuana Smoke Contains Higher Levels Of Certain Toxins Than Tobacco Smoke
THE MEDICAL DANGERS OF MARIJUANA USE

 

[snapcult]

Good thing I'm not a criminal, and am fully aware of my state's laws on cannabis.

Places that have decriminalized non-medical cannabis in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is sad how standards are slipping everywhere isn't it?

It is sad how judgmental people are of a harmless plant.

Let me guess John, you drink alcohol, right? Feel free to point fingers if you've never once had a sip of alcohol, never got a speeding ticket, and never taken drugs with more side effects than marijuana (that means any prescription drugs).

Standards aren't slipping, people are educating themselves on cannabis and finding that it's 1000x safer than drinking alcohol to become intoxicated. But, of course you don't realize that because you aren't educated on the subject. And it's your right to remain uneducated if you so choose. It's your life, buddy. :thumbup:

“In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care." -Francis Young, DEA Administrative Law Judge​

Not the evil dope! I hear it makes you go blind and grow hair on your palms... Not to mention it kills almost zero people a year and is less addictive than coffee.

 

[table1349]

Out of curiosity... how many of those of you who say "I wouldn't go onto someone's property without asking permission" would take a picture of someone in the street without first asking if it was ok?

I take pictures of people on the street all the time and I never (ever) ask if it's ok. Yes, even if I take a picture of a kid. If someone asks me to delete the picture I took, I more often than not tell them I was shooting something just to the left of right of them.

(Yes, it's horrible and yes I'm a huge jerk. I get it... not the point)

Why? It's one thing to be in public where there is not expectation of privacy, and a whole different matter to violate someone else's private property.

 

[table1349]

BTW, what's a "doper?" Is that what the geriatric crowd calls cannabis users?

Got a mirror? Use it.

 

[table1349]

It's okay, you can cry about your insecurities because your mom isn't as cool as mine. I'll even mail you some Kleenex and some Johnson & Johnson's "No Tears" baby shampoo. It's supposed to be extra gentle.

I'll let you keep "Cool" since cool losses it's luster rather quickly. Which kind of cool is she 3' Afro cool, Plaid bell bottom hip hugger cool? Hairy pits and unshaven leg hippy cool? Oh wait, I'll bet she is DISCO Cool.

Me I prefer integrity over cool. Cool don't buy squat when looking for a good job, buying a house or buying the groceries.

As for the Kleenex I'll send you the address of the federal institution. Plenty of "Cool guys" that had chemicals they shouldn't have that could use them. Instead of shampoo you might send them Vasoline instead. A 55 gallon drum would be nice. Plus they would put your Kleenex to good use after. Well................you know.

 

[table1349]

Hmmmm.. idea for sign, maybe?

Trespassers make GOOD fertilizer!

Texas Trespassing sign:

Arkansas Trespassing sign:


Religious Trespassing sign:

Mississippi Trespassing sign"

Pimp Trespassing sign:

Last, but by no means least:

 

[o hey tyler]

Got a mirror? Use it.

How did you manage to get a morse code to text translator for the web, grandpa? Do tell!

 

[Mrgiggls]

 

[tirediron]

Okay, [reasonably] respectful debate is a good thing, outright insults are not. Let's all play nice, 'kay?

 

[table1349]

Got a mirror? Use it.

How did you manage to get a morse code to text translator for the web, grandpa? Do tell!

Yep, I am a grandpa to two cute little girls. Being raised by two loving parents, who while they may not be "cool", they are responsible and are teaching them right from wrong. If you P.M. me I will be glad to see if they would have the time to give you a few lessons as well. Just don't expect anything from me for Christmas though if they decide to tutor you a bit.

 

[Kerbouchard]

I do it. If they don't like it they throw me out. If it looks like they will shoot at me, I don't.

See, that's the thing. Laws vary by state, and sometimes quite a bit. In Texas, Criminal Tresspassing during the nightime is an offense where lethal force is authorized. It is specificially mentioned in the deadly force statutes. No need to warn, no need to fire a warning shot, no need to ask that person to leave. It truly is a shoot first and ask questions later type of law. And you know what, as a property owner in Texas, I fully support that law.

See, the thing is, if you come around my house poking around, I'm not going to ask you to leave. I probably won't even let you know you are about to get shot.

See, I grew up different than you yank's up North. If I wanted to fish in a neighbor's pond or use somebody else's property, I asked permission, promised not to leave any trash, and promised not to disturb the livestock. If you didn't leave the area better than you found it and if you didn't ask permission, you weren't welcome back. We knew that at 8 years old.

Hard to believe that a bunch of adults can't understand the same thing.

 

[table1349]

I do it. If they don't like it they throw me out. If it looks like they will shoot at me, I don't.

See, that's the thing. Laws vary by state, and sometimes quite a bit. In Texas, Criminal Tresspassing during the nightime is an offense where lethal force is authorized. It is specificially mentioned in the deadly force statutes. No need to warn, no need to fire a warning shot, no need to ask that person to leave. It truly is a shoot first and ask questions later type of law. And you know what, as a property owner in Texas, I fully support that law.

See, the thing is, if you come around my house poking around, I'm not going to ask you to leave. I probably won't even let you know you are about to get shot.

See, I grew up different than you yank's up North. If I wanted to fish in a neighbor's pond or use somebody else's property, I asked permission, promised not to leave any trash, and promised not to disturb the livestock. If you didn't leave the area better than you found it and if you didn't ask permission, you weren't welcome back. We knew that at 8 years old.

Hard to believe that a bunch of adults can't understand the same thing.

Sounds to me like we got some folks here that were raised up as youngun's by responsible, sensible people. Why I would bet that they have even hear of this fella called Jerry Clower.

You’re Fixin’ To Mess Up”

“Just recently I had the privilege of doing a show at Samford University in Birmingham, [Alabama]. Some of the young people there said, ‘Mr. Clower, what’s right and wrong?’ Tell us, we’re young people, tell us, what’s right and wrong.
Well you ask a pretty good question. So I worked me up a rule of thumb I’d like to recommend to my own children, and to young people.



If you’re fixin’ to make a decision about what’s right and what’s wrong in your life, do you ask other people’s opinion about it? That’s a pretty good indication your fixin’ to mess up. I was getting ready for a date one night when I was a little ole boy. And I walked into the side room and I said, ‘Mama, is my shirt dirty?’ She said, ‘Son, if you’re in doubt, it’s dirty. Pull it off and getcha another.’ So if you’re fixin’ to do something, and you want to know if it’s right or not, number one: do you ask other people’s opinion about it?



Number two: do you argue with yourself? Man, I have spent a million mile on the highway arguing with Jerry about I oughta do a certain thing and I knew in my heart, I was lying. So if you’re arguin’ with yourself, pretty good indication you should not do it.



Number three: do you feel uneasy when you do it? Had ya just as soon for somebody not see you doin’ what it is you’d done decided is alright for you to do?



And Number four: Can you give thanks and say ‘Lord, I thank ya for providing this for me.’? Alright, you’d done made up your mind: you’re gonna do it. The Bible says, give thanks for all things. So when you do it, can ya say ‘Lord, thank ya for providing this for me. And I some kinda thank ya, for fixin’ it where I can commit to what it is I’m doin.’?



What is right or wrong?, Do you ask other people?, Do you aruge with yourself?, Do you feel uneasy when you do it?, Can ya give thanks and say ‘Lord, I thank ya for providing this for me.’? If you can’t, you better watch out…You’re fixin’ to mess up.”

May not be "cool" but damn good advise.