VOTE AND RATE:DSLR'S

[Buckster]

I'm going along with the few in this thread that said any of them are just fine, especially for someone getting their first DSLR.

The only thing I'd say is that your primary consideration is the fact that once you make your decision, it's kinda like getting married - to the system you've bought into. Eventually, you'll likely want more lenses. Over time, that can become a fairly significant investment.

A couple or few years passes, and now your camera body is getting kinda long in the tooth, so you decide it's time for an upgrade. Well, guess what? All your lenses fit a particular system, and you're either going to stay with it, or sell off all your gear and start over (or keep all your gear and start over with the new system, which is even more expensive).

So, it's not just about what's the "best" bang for the buck today (which is frankly pretty subjective anyway). The better question is, what will keep you happy in the long run, when you've bought into it?

Both Nikon and Canon make great gear. Great bodies, great lenses, and there's a TON of other gear made by a TON of other manufacturers that support that equipment. Every year they leapfrog past each other in terms of the latest, greatest, whiz-bang, awesome features and abilities, but in reality, the differences are minimal, and it comes down to splitting hairs and personal preferences - usually from folks that are already "married" to their gear and therefore feel like they have a stake in it. They're used to their equipment, they know how to work it, how to handle it, what to expect from it, and so they recommend it to others as if there's nothing else that can even come close.

After all is said and done, this gear is nothing more than a tool to produce the visual images we call photos. And when you get down to that basic end result, the truth of it all is that without EXIF info or some other way to know, people would be hard-pressed to tell the difference between a Canon and a Nikon when looking at photos produced by either of them. In the end, it's like looking at the head of a pounded nail and trying to determine if it was pounded in with a Stanley hammer or a Craftsman - who gives a crap?

So what should you use to choose? Pick them both up. Feel them in your hands. Work the controls. See what's comfortable to YOU. Look at the available lenses between the two manufacturers and compare prices on them in the same basic focal length/f stop ranges, especially for any that you might EVENTUALLY be interested in owning for yourself, whether you can afford any of them right now or not.

Before I got into digital, I shot Nikons, and haven't got a single bad thing to say about them. I could just as easily have migrated from film to digital with Nikon gear, but I married into Canon close to 10 years ago when I switched to digital because I felt at the time that they had the very best lenses I'd be able to eventually get my hands on, along with the biggest selection of them. I think that's largely changed now, as Nikons newest glass is reported to be nothing short of fantastic in all respects. Faced with the same decision today without that difference to sway me, I would probably stick with Nikon because I was already a Nikon user. That's not to say I'm unhappy with my Canon gear though either - I'm getting exactly the results I want and expect from the gear I use in this class.

Either way, what I'm driving at is that I don't think there's a big enough technological difference, especially not over the long run between the big two manufacturers, to warrant much more than it coming down to a personal choice that only YOU can make, based on which body style and system feels best in your hands, and maybe the cost differences between similar gear from the two companies, especially your long-term investment, the lenses.

I think you'll be happy, whichever system you "marry" into.

 

[KmH]

Your poll indicates you should be looking at Nikon D7000 deals.

Or was your poll a canard?

Nikon's D90 was killing Canon 500D sales, so Canon hurriedly intoduced the 550D and still the Nikon D90 smoked it.

If price is your only consideration, it doesn't matter which camera you get.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

Here is some interesting quotes from Popular photos recent review and test of the D7000...

"In our autofocus speed test, while the D7000’s 39-point Multi-CAM 4800DX system was no slouch, it proved slightly slower than the Canon 60D across the board. "

"Given Nikon’s excellent record in noise suppression over the past few years, we expected the D7000 to do better in our noise test. Again, it fared well, but it couldn’t match the 60D, which reached one more stop of sensitivity before hitting Unacceptable. "

"Bottom Line
The Nikon D7000 is a pleasure to use, and it carries on the tradition of the company’s very impressive advanced midrange DSLRs. If you have Nikon glass and are ready to upgrade, you won’t regret it.

However, if you are looking to enter the DSLR world at this level and are not yet committed to a particular brand, you should read our Canon 60D test to learn about a model that’s very competitive with the D7000 in performance and features. "


Now some quotes from the 60D review

"It squeaked ahead of the D7000 by just a few hundredths of a second down through EV 4. Once we turned the lights down to EV 2 (think a dimly lit interior), the Canon took a stronger lead, focusing in 0.59 sec versus the Nikon’s 0.76."

"Although Canon rates its system as effective down to just EV –0.5, in our test it managed to focus (in just over 1 sec) in the very dim light of EV –2, where the D7000 couldn’t make it."

Just sayin....


Oh, and the 60D is higher res

 

[manaheim]

Another high value thread, brought to you by... Noobs.

 

[bobbyknight]

I'm going along with the few in this thread that said any of them are just fine, especially for someone getting their first DSLR.

The only thing I'd say is that your primary consideration is the fact that once you make your decision, it's kinda like getting married - to the system you've bought into. Eventually, you'll likely want more lenses. Over time, that can become a fairly significant investment.

A couple or few years passes, and now your camera body is getting kinda long in the tooth, so you decide it's time for an upgrade. Well, guess what? All your lenses fit a particular system, and you're either going to stay with it, or sell off all your gear and start over (or keep all your gear and start over with the new system, which is even more expensive).

So, it's not just about what's the "best" bang for the buck today (which is frankly pretty subjective anyway). The better question is, what will keep you happy in the long run, when you've bought into it?

Both Nikon and Canon make great gear. Great bodies, great lenses, and there's a TON of other gear made by a TON of other manufacturers that support that equipment. Every year they leapfrog past each other in terms of the latest, greatest, whiz-bang, awesome features and abilities, but in reality, the differences are minimal, and it comes down to splitting hairs and personal preferences - usually from folks that are already "married" to their gear and therefore feel like they have a stake in it. They're used to their equipment, they know how to work it, how to handle it, what to expect from it, and so they recommend it to others as if there's nothing else that can even come close.

After all is said and done, this gear is nothing more than a tool to produce the visual images we call photos. And when you get down to that basic end result, the truth of it all is that without EXIF info or some other way to know, people would be hard-pressed to tell the difference between a Canon and a Nikon when looking at photos produced by either of them. In the end, it's like looking at the head of a pounded nail and trying to determine if it was pounded in with a Stanley hammer or a Craftsman - who gives a crap?

So what should you use to choose? Pick them both up. Feel them in your hands. Work the controls. See what's comfortable to YOU. Look at the available lenses between the two manufacturers and compare prices on them in the same basic focal length/f stop ranges, especially for any that you might EVENTUALLY be interested in owning for yourself, whether you can afford any of them right now or not.

Before I got into digital, I shot Nikons, and haven't got a single bad thing to say about them. I could just as easily have migrated from film to digital with Nikon gear, but I married into Canon close to 10 years ago when I switched to digital because I felt at the time that they had the very best lenses I'd be able to eventually get my hands on, along with the biggest selection of them. I think that's largely changed now, as Nikons newest glass is reported to be nothing short of fantastic in all respects. Faced with the same decision today without that difference to sway me, I would probably stick with Nikon because I was already a Nikon user. That's not to say I'm unhappy with my Canon gear though either - I'm getting exactly the results I want and expect from the gear I use in this class.

Either way, what I'm driving at is that I don't think there's a big enough technological difference, especially not over the long run between the big two manufacturers, to warrant much more than it coming down to a personal choice that only YOU can make, based on which body style and system feels best in your hands, and maybe the cost differences between similar gear from the two companies, especially your long-term investment, the lenses.

I think you'll be happy, whichever system you "marry" into.

Very well said, thank you for taking your time writing or should I say typing and of course sharing your point of view. :hug::
Unlike others who will just post pathetic comments like:Another high value thread, brought to you by... Noobs. Wants to increase his post count or maybe just in dire need of attention.

I'd agree with you, before buying you should ask yourself, what will keep you happy in the long run. I was opting for 7D before primarily because of its weatherproof magnesium alloy body, but I thought the price is too much for a beginner like myself. So now I narrowed my choices, caught between 60D and the D7000. This two would make me happy in quite sometime for sure. Both are classified as the best mid-range DSLRs. Both have their own advantages and disadvantages and I'm currently weighing them both at the moment.
About the lenses, I think Canon has the cheaper lenses compared with Nikon/Nikkor lenses. And Canon got a wider choices. Is that correct?

 

[bobbyknight]

Your poll indicates you should be looking at Nikon D7000 deals.

Or was your poll a canard?

Nikon's D90 was killing Canon 500D sales, so Canon hurriedly intoduced the 550D and still the Nikon D90 smoked it.

If price is your only consideration, it doesn't matter which camera you get.

Indeed, the D7000 is leading the poll, there's something wrong with the way I made the poll though, I shouldn't have activated the multiple choice option!:meh:
I'm now opting for the number one(in the poll) and the 60D!
Price is not the only consideration so I'm both weighing down their differences, advantages and disadvantages.:thumbup:

 

[bobbyknight]

Here is some interesting quotes from Popular photos recent review and test of the D7000...

"In our autofocus speed test, while the D7000’s 39-point Multi-CAM 4800DX system was no slouch, it proved slightly slower than the Canon 60D across the board. "

"Given Nikon’s excellent record in noise suppression over the past few years, we expected the D7000 to do better in our noise test. Again, it fared well, but it couldn’t match the 60D, which reached one more stop of sensitivity before hitting Unacceptable. "

"Bottom Line
The Nikon D7000 is a pleasure to use, and it carries on the tradition of the company’s very impressive advanced midrange DSLRs. If you have Nikon glass and are ready to upgrade, you won’t regret it.

However, if you are looking to enter the DSLR world at this level and are not yet committed to a particular brand, you should read our Canon 60D test to learn about a model that’s very competitive with the D7000 in performance and features. "


Now some quotes from the 60D review

"It squeaked ahead of the D7000 by just a few hundredths of a second down through EV 4. Once we turned the lights down to EV 2 (think a dimly lit interior), the Canon took a stronger lead, focusing in 0.59 sec versus the Nikon’s 0.76."

"Although Canon rates its system as effective down to just EV –0.5, in our test it managed to focus (in just over 1 sec) in the very dim light of EV –2, where the D7000 couldn’t make it."

Just sayin....


Oh, and the 60D is higher res

60D is positioned head-on with Nikon's mid-range category. This makes the Canon EOS 60D the arch rival for the new Nikon D7000.

60D features two extra Megapixels, although you'll need decent optics to see even a minor benefit of this higher resolution. It also allows you to shoot Full HD 1080p movies at 24, 25 or 30fps, whereas the D7000 is limited to 24fps at this resolution; the 720p movies on the Canon are also offered at 50 and 60fps as oppose to 24, 25 and 30fps on the Nikon. The Canon EOS 60D also features a wider 3:2 screen which matches the shape of its images, while also twisting and flipping to allow easy composition at unusual angles. The articulated screen is the major benefit of the 60D over the D7000 and will be greatly appreciated by anyone using the cameras to film video. The 60D also offers greater control over audio levels with proper peak meters and fine adjustments, along with a live histogram in Live View.

Nikon D7000 offers double the maximum sensitivity (25,600 ISO versus 12,800), slightly faster continuous shooting (6fps vs 5.3), a viewfinder with on-demand LCD markings and 100% coverage (versus 96%), broader AF with 39 points (versus 9 on the 60D), AF Fine Tune (to correct for front and back-focusing), continuous autofocus while filming video, and more sophisticated metering. The D7000 is also tougher with magnesium alloy top and rear plates, and additionally features dual memory card slots. In our tests, the image quality was similar at lower sensitivities, but the D7000 enjoyed an edge at the highest ISOs


60D can keep shooting continuously for much longer bursts than the D7000, and found its metering more consistent under bright conditions. The D7000 may have 30 more AF points, but both cameras share the same number of sensitive cross-type sensors: nine on each.
D7000 cannot perform well in a very bright environment like under the sun, pictures are always over exposed.

 

[bobbyknight]

60D actually out-performs the D7000 in some respects where you'd expect the opposite - most notably the D7000 has a limited buffer depth which could see you running out of frames in the best quality modes after just 15-20 shots, whereas the Canon happily keeps shooting. So it may be a tad slower, but it could be more practical in the field. Also found the EOS 60D more accurate when it came to metering under bright sunlight, despite its less sophisticated metering sensor.

 

[daarksun]

I'm going along with the few in this thread that said any of them are just fine, especially for someone getting their first DSLR.

The only thing I'd say is that your primary consideration is the fact that once you make your decision, it's kinda like getting married - to the system you've bought into. Eventually, you'll likely want more lenses. Over time, that can become a fairly significant investment.

A couple or few years passes, and now your camera body is getting kinda long in the tooth, so you decide it's time for an upgrade. Well, guess what? All your lenses fit a particular system, and you're either going to stay with it, or sell off all your gear and start over (or keep all your gear and start over with the new system, which is even more expensive).

So, it's not just about what's the "best" bang for the buck today (which is frankly pretty subjective anyway). The better question is, what will keep you happy in the long run, when you've bought into it?

Both Nikon and Canon make great gear. Great bodies, great lenses, and there's a TON of other gear made by a TON of other manufacturers that support that equipment. Every year they leapfrog past each other in terms of the latest, greatest, whiz-bang, awesome features and abilities, but in reality, the differences are minimal, and it comes down to splitting hairs and personal preferences - usually from folks that are already "married" to their gear and therefore feel like they have a stake in it. They're used to their equipment, they know how to work it, how to handle it, what to expect from it, and so they recommend it to others as if there's nothing else that can even come close.

After all is said and done, this gear is nothing more than a tool to produce the visual images we call photos. And when you get down to that basic end result, the truth of it all is that without EXIF info or some other way to know, people would be hard-pressed to tell the difference between a Canon and a Nikon when looking at photos produced by either of them. In the end, it's like looking at the head of a pounded nail and trying to determine if it was pounded in with a Stanley hammer or a Craftsman - who gives a crap?

So what should you use to choose? Pick them both up. Feel them in your hands. Work the controls. See what's comfortable to YOU. Look at the available lenses between the two manufacturers and compare prices on them in the same basic focal length/f stop ranges, especially for any that you might EVENTUALLY be interested in owning for yourself, whether you can afford any of them right now or not.

Before I got into digital, I shot Nikons, and haven't got a single bad thing to say about them. I could just as easily have migrated from film to digital with Nikon gear, but I married into Canon close to 10 years ago when I switched to digital because I felt at the time that they had the very best lenses I'd be able to eventually get my hands on, along with the biggest selection of them. I think that's largely changed now, as Nikons newest glass is reported to be nothing short of fantastic in all respects. Faced with the same decision today without that difference to sway me, I would probably stick with Nikon because I was already a Nikon user. That's not to say I'm unhappy with my Canon gear though either - I'm getting exactly the results I want and expect from the gear I use in this class.

Either way, what I'm driving at is that I don't think there's a big enough technological difference, especially not over the long run between the big two manufacturers, to warrant much more than it coming down to a personal choice that only YOU can make, based on which body style and system feels best in your hands, and maybe the cost differences between similar gear from the two companies, especially your long-term investment, the lenses.

I think you'll be happy, whichever system you "marry" into.

+1 ^. Well said.

 

[manaheim]

Another high value thread, brought to you by... Noobs. Wants to increase his post count or maybe just in dire need of attention.

No, clearly the way to do both of those things is to get on here... not search... and post crap that has been hashed and re-hashed about 8 million times, but hey... probably only 36 times this week!

:thumbup:

 

[bobbyknight]

Another high value thread, brought to you by... Noobs. Wants to increase his post count or maybe just in dire need of attention.

No, clearly the way to do both of those things is to get on here... not search... and post crap that has been hashed and re-hashed about 8 million times, but hey... probably only 36 times this week!

:thumbup:

One thing to remember and keep this in your mind at all times, post only if you have something to say about the thread otherwise it's better for you to keep it to yourself. Capice!(?)

 

[pacman.photo]

I bought a Canon 60D 2 months ago and so far I am very happy with all aspects of the camera. Great auto focus. Menu layout is great. All buttons are within reach for one handed adjustment. Body feels very durable and the weight is very similar to a 7D. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the rubber grip is the same grip used on the 1D models. Many people are negative towards the swivel screen, but only a 60D shooter will know how useful it could possibly be.

 

[DerekSalem]

When it comes to the quality of the picture, video, durability(weatherproof), features and over all performance of the camera. You can post your opinions and point of views if you feel the need. Thank you.

Planning to buy one so this would greatly help for me to decide, thankies

First of all, many of these aren't weather-proofed at *all*...and most of the people here aren't voting on what's the best buy or how it fits your *really* vague specifications, but rather on what they like most.

BTW, making a poll to ask people what the best DSLR is? lol plain dumb.

 

[chito beach]

None on your list. but of the big 2 Id go Nikon D7000,

 

[chito beach]

Screw drama, answer the question or skip the thread - easy enough to do and takes less time than posting 'Google it'.

I chose Nikon and the D7000, based on my experience and value for the dollar. The D7000 has had a lot of hype lately and it's well deserved. The camera is constantly compared to pro bodies twice it's cost and fares very well against them.

I couldn't be happier with my decision.

:thumbup:
I still cant believe how powerfull that camera is for the price.

You must really be amazed at the Sony A580 then, same DXO rating and 500.00 less.