Why don't people like program mode?

[andrew99]

Just use the right tool for the job. Sometimes that's manual mode, sometimes it's something else.

 

[Alex_B]

who cares what mode another photographer is using anyway?!:scratch:

good question!

if it's something you're into--this program mode-- then why does it matter whether another photographer puts it down--and calls it "idiot mode"-..it's an opinion based assumption.. all that matters is what mode you are using and whether it is working well for you or not...

Well, this probably causes so much uproar, since this is all about religion here, and not about photography.

:lmao:

 

[ksmattfish]

I always though "P" was for "Professional" anyways

That's what Joe Buissink says.

Cameras don't have idiot modes. Idiot mode occurs in the brain, and it's just as easy to be in idiot mode when the camera is set to M as it is any other setting. As long as the photographer understands how the camera is operating, and they are getting the results they desire, then their choice of exposure mode is the right choice. There is little difference between zeroing out the meter with fingers and letting the camera zero it out. What is the significant difference between setting the camera to 1/125 @ f/4 with my fingers in M, or meter locking the camera at 1/125 @ f/4 by pointing it at the right tone in a scene in any auto or semi-auto mode? All of my DSLRs clearly display the settings the camera is using in whatever mode. The difference between a photographer who knows what they are doing and one running in idiot mode is whether or not they understand the information the meter is providing them, and what the effects of the settings will be on the photograph.

EDIT: The information on how cameras adjust the settings in auto and semi-auto modes is usually available in the camera manual or at the camera manufacturer's website. Auto and semi-auto modes do not operate randomly.

 

[manaheim]

Oh god, who livened this one up again?

 

[tron]

who cares what mode another photographer is using anyway?!:scratch:

if it's something you're into--this program mode-- then why does it matter whether another photographer puts it down--and calls it "idiot mode"-..it's an opinion based assumption.. all that matters is what mode you are using and whether it is working well for you or not...



i almost always use manual mode, just because im comfortable with it.. i know exactly what's happening.. it's in my control

see post #103 :thumbdown:

 

[Village Idiot]

That's what Joe Buissink says.

Cameras don't have idiot modes. Idiot mode occurs in the brain, and it's just as easy to be in idiot mode when the camera is set to M as it is any other setting. As long as the photographer understands how the camera is operating, and they are getting the results they desire, then their choice of exposure mode is the right choice. There is little difference between zeroing out the meter with fingers and letting the camera zero it out. What is the significant difference between setting the camera to 1/125 @ f/4 with my fingers in M, or meter locking the camera at 1/125 @ f/4 by pointing it at the right tone in a scene in any auto or semi-auto mode? All of my DSLRs clearly display the settings the camera is using in whatever mode. The difference between a photographer who knows what they are doing and one running in idiot mode is whether or not they understand the information the meter is providing them, and what the effects of the settings will be on the photograph.

EDIT: The information on how cameras adjust the settings in auto and semi-auto modes is usually available in the camera manual or at the camera manufacturer's website. Auto and semi-auto modes do not operate randomly.

Program mode is definitely idiot mode...and not always on the photographer's part. I mean, when you're shooting a photo in manual that has lots of contrast, you get to control how white the whites are and how black the blacks are. P mode = *Click* I got a picture! Yay!.

More control = the photos you want to take, not the photos the camera wants to take.

But Senor Hound, the originator of this wonderful thread probably still doesn't even have his DSLR yet, the one he's been lusting after for months now. It's a great topic to start in the "advanced" forum to get people to argue.

After all, aren't the majority of people pointing and shooting with $600+ DLSR's photography noobs?

 

[Battou]

After all, aren't the majority of people pointing and shooting with $600+ DLSR's photography noobs?

I dunno you tell me :lmao:
_________^^^another awsomly Epic thread that is long dead :thumbup:

 

[snowalker]

I find "P" very good in any situation. But everybody has some personal preferences...

 

[Hawaii Five-O]

The auto mode is fine sometimes, but rest the time you are doing an injustice to your camera by not using one of the other modes. Understanding photography and using a camera is an art form in itself. Ansel Adams would roll around in his grave if he could if he knew people used the auto mode.

My pansonic DMC-FZ8 has a :heart: icon auto setting called the simple mode, we don't want to be simple and lazy do we?:er:

 

[mike11165]

"idiot mode"...I am just getting into this hobby and thats what it is for me ...is a hobby.... there seem to be lots of snobs in photography, just an initial impression from an amateur just getting more involved. its not a blanket statement... just an observation. these forums seem to have more than a fair share, however when I am out with my camera and socialize with photographers more advanced than I, they seem to be patient teachers of their craft and interested in helping. To you snobs, did you wake up knowing eveything you know or did you search through trial and error and maybe have help from both the camera and teacher?

 

[manaheim]

"idiot mode"...I am just getting into this hobby and thats what it is for me ...is a hobby.... there seem to be lots of snobs in photography, just an initial impression from an amateur just getting more involved. its not a blanket statement... just an observation. these forums seem to have more than a fair share, however when I am out with my camera and socialize with photographers more advanced than I, they seem to be patient teachers of their craft and interested in helping. To you snobs, did you wake up knowing eveything you know or did you search through trial and error and maybe have help from both the camera and teacher?

Welcome to the glass house... here's your bag o' rocks.

 

[mike11165]

im an avid fisherman... thats how a came to love photography, wanting to capture some of the beautiful things I see, Im still not good enough, my pics dont capture enough of what my eye see, but im trying.....fisherman can be brutal to each other, but I think photographers may be worse..

 

[tron]

"idiot mode"...I am just getting into this hobby and thats what it is for me ...is a hobby.... there seem to be lots of snobs in photography, just an initial impression from an amateur just getting more involved. its not a blanket statement... just an observation. these forums seem to have more than a fair share, however when I am out with my camera and socialize with photographers more advanced than I, they seem to be patient teachers of their craft and interested in helping. To you snobs, did you wake up knowing eveything you know or did you search through trial and error and maybe have help from both the camera and teacher?

your initial impression is right. beware of the heavy amounts of douchebaggery that will come from some people in the 'community'

 

[table1349]

im an avid fisherman... thats how a came to love photography, wanting to capture some of the beautiful things I see, Im still not good enough, my pics dont capture enough of what my eye see, but im trying.....fisherman can be brutal to each other, but I think photographers may be worse..

Think of it this way. As an avid fisherman are you using a cane pole with a line, bobber, sinker and hook? If not why not? Line tied to pole, bobber on the line, sinker below the bobber and hook at the end of the line (with bait). Put it in the water, you are fishing. Program mode.

Of course if the line is 10 feet long and the brush pile/cover is 20 feet out into the lake you have a problem. If the walleye are running deep you have a problem. Hard to troll from the bank. Hard to cast towards the bank from the bank, Hard to work a lure from a static line on the end of a pole. Thus the reel, artificial lures, bass boats, trolling motors, fish finders etc. Now were talking AV, TV and Manual mode.

Are they both fishing. Of course. Which one has more controllable results?

 

[manaheim]

^^^ nice.