Why is the 1Ds Mark II so cheap?? Looking to go full-frame.

[AmberAtLoveAndInk]

Does anyone have a full-frame body suggestion for me to upgrade to around the $1000 range? Refurbished is fine. I like my 60D's layout and it's so easy to use. Just really could use that ISO bump & a full frame, the cropping on my current cam is starting to irritate me as I get larger lenses.

 

[usayit]

Do research on what it takes to maintain and replace the Ni-MH batteries. I'm pretty sure you will eventually find them a PITA either now or later.

Whenever I ran out the door for an unexpected/unplanned shoot, the batteries were either dead or low. I needed to plan ahead and maintain the batteries. Refresh cycle is on the order of HOURS and then you still got to get through a recharge.

Furthermore, the UI of the 1 series (I liked it) is pretty far removed from your 60D and 5D series. So switching between two cameras also requires a mental switch. Along with different batteries, chargers, etc... Also, don't underestimate the weight of the camera. Its significantly heavier than what you currently shoot.

I would rather end up with a couple 5Ds (even different generations) than an old 1ds and a 5D. I shot with a 1d Mark IIn and a 5D classic (long since left Canon as my primary system). I usually rather just pick one rather than carry both.

 

[ronlane]

I don't understand your thinking about getting a 5D mkII? If you had that as and upgraded the 60d for the 5D mk III, then you would have two bodies the same.

 

[AmberAtLoveAndInk]

I don't understand your thinking about getting a 5D mkII? If you had that as and upgraded the 60d for the 5D mk III, then you would have two bodies the same.

I'm not sure what you mean? I said that I did NOT want to get any of the 5D's at the moment because through force or other ways of persuasion, I should be able to get the 5D Mark III by the end of this year. Just looking for a decent full frame to have at these weddings I've lined up.

 

[AmberAtLoveAndInk]

Do research on what it takes to maintain and replace the Ni-MH batteries. I'm pretty sure you will eventually find them a PITA either now or later.

Whenever I ran out the door for an unexpected/unplanned shoot, the batteries were either dead or low. I needed to plan ahead and maintain the batteries. Refresh cycle is on the order of HOURS and then you still got to get through a recharge.

Furthermore, the UI of the 1 series (I liked it) is pretty far removed from your 60D and 5D series. So switching between two cameras also requires a mental switch. Along with different batteries, chargers, etc... Also, don't underestimate the weight of the camera. Its significantly heavier than what you currently shoot.

I would rather end up with a couple 5Ds (even different generations) than an old 1ds and a 5D. I shot with a 1d Mark IIn and a 5D classic (long since left Canon as my primary system). I usually rather just pick one rather than carry both.

This I thought about. The controls are way different so I would need awhile to get comfortable with it. Also, looked in to the battery situation... that alone is enough for me to pass on the 1Ds II, even at the great price point.

 

[gsgary]

A lot of 1Dsmk2 users never changed to the mk3 because of problems

 

[ronlane]

I don't want to buy a 5D Mark II or 5D if I'm just going to upgrade.

This is what I was referencing. You are wanting a 5d iii, but can't until the end of the year, but you are wanting another body now too. If you know that you are going to get a mk iii, it just makes sense to me to look at a mk ii now if you could get it at a good price. Then when you upgrade later this year, ditch the 60d and then you have two camera that are pretty much the same.

 

[gsgary]

I'm looking at some full-frame bodies and came across some refurbished 1Ds Mark II's, for CHEAP. Like, $500. I know the 1Ds Mark III is an insanely amazing body so why would it's older version be priced so differently? Is there some big flaw in the 1Ds II's design?

To start: It's technically not "full frame". None of the 1D series is. The crop-factor is 1.3x This is true for the current-generation 1D as well.

It's 8.3MP. Entry level DSLRs are 12-24MP right now and the top end DSLRs are 22-36MP. That's not to say that one cannot take awesome pictures (up to a certain size) at 8.3MP. You can. But that's one of the stats mentioned that's low.

The ISO performance (1600/3200) is pretty low by modern standards (I believe the current 1D is 206,000).

Number of AF points (41) isn't bad at all. The processor is older, but I'm not sure that will hurt with the small sensor MP.

Actually: It looks like a pretty good camera. Can someone tell me why this isn't worth the $400 it costs.

Do your homework before posting

 

[usayit]

Also, looked in to the battery situation... that alone is enough for me to pass on the 1Ds II, even at the great price point.

To be fair though..

With a fully maintained, healthy, and charged battery, the Ni-MH batteries in those cameras were good for a LOT of shots. Which is good since the batteries themselves weigh a bit.

 

[AmberAtLoveAndInk]

I'm looking at some full-frame bodies and came across some refurbished 1Ds Mark II's, for CHEAP. Like, $500. I know the 1Ds Mark III is an insanely amazing body so why would it's older version be priced so differently? Is there some big flaw in the 1Ds II's design?

To start: It's technically not "full frame". None of the 1D series is. The crop-factor is 1.3x This is true for the current-generation 1D as well.

It's 8.3MP. Entry level DSLRs are 12-24MP right now and the top end DSLRs are 22-36MP. That's not to say that one cannot take awesome pictures (up to a certain size) at 8.3MP. You can. But that's one of the stats mentioned that's low.

The ISO performance (1600/3200) is pretty low by modern standards (I believe the current 1D is 206,000).

Number of AF points (41) isn't bad at all. The processor is older, but I'm not sure that will hurt with the small sensor MP.

Actually: It looks like a pretty good camera. Can someone tell me why this isn't worth the $400 it costs.

Do your homework before posting

well I asked here so I could know the answer!! Now I do

 

[gsgary]

Well I was looking at it for a second body (or a new main body based on quality) for some weddings I'm shooting this summer. I use a 60D and have no problem with it, I honestly think the 60D doesn't get as much credit as it derserves... but would LOVE to have the 5D Mark III except my fiance would kill me if I blew $3000 at the moment. So I was looking at a less expensive body, preferably not any of the 5D's because eventually I WILL have the Mark III, it'll just take a few months to convince the man of the house, I don't want to buy a 5D Mark II or 5D if I'm just going to upgrade.

Feel the weight of one before you buy, focus speed will make your 60D seem slow

 

[AmberAtLoveAndInk]

I don't want to buy a 5D Mark II or 5D if I'm just going to upgrade.

This is what I was referencing. You are wanting a 5d iii, but can't until the end of the year, but you are wanting another body now too. If you know that you are going to get a mk iii, it just makes sense to me to look at a mk ii now if you could get it at a good price. Then when you upgrade later this year, ditch the 60d and then you have two camera that are pretty much the same.

Ahhhh I see. Ya, that makes a bit more sense.

 

[ronlane]

I don't want to buy a 5D Mark II or 5D if I'm just going to upgrade.

This is what I was referencing. You are wanting a 5d iii, but can't until the end of the year, but you are wanting another body now too. If you know that you are going to get a mk iii, it just makes sense to me to look at a mk ii now if you could get it at a good price. Then when you upgrade later this year, ditch the 60d and then you have two camera that are pretty much the same.

Ahhhh I see. Ya, that makes a bit more sense.

it's all good. I just wanted to give you the argument to end up with 2 5d's. Isn't that what a wedding photog needs???? lol

 

[gsgary]

To start: It's technically not "full frame". None of the 1D series is. The crop-factor is 1.3x This is true for the current-generation 1D as well.

It's 8.3MP. Entry level DSLRs are 12-24MP right now and the top end DSLRs are 22-36MP. That's not to say that one cannot take awesome pictures (up to a certain size) at 8.3MP. You can. But that's one of the stats mentioned that's low.

The ISO performance (1600/3200) is pretty low by modern standards (I believe the current 1D is 206,000).

Number of AF points (41) isn't bad at all. The processor is older, but I'm not sure that will hurt with the small sensor MP.

Actually: It looks like a pretty good camera. Can someone tell me why this isn't worth the $400 it costs.

Do your homework before posting

well I asked here so I could know the answer!! Now I do

I didn't mean you i meant Jerry because he said it is not full frame

 

[Braineack]

I thought wedding photographers used Rebels exclusively.