Wondering: D7000 vs D800 vs D700

[Tee]

Sounds like your wants are overpowering your needs. You have several posts contradicting themselves when called to the carpet (re: good glass). If you think you can't produce professional quality images with a D7000 and a 1.8 or 2.8 lens, then you haven't researched your D7000 well enough. You must be in a rush to go pro as you can't take the time to learn your current camera. Either way, your original question is moot. You're buying the D800. Gotcha. Have fun!

 

[graecyn]

It's not that it's a limitation. It's more that I'm lazy and don't want to get used to one camera (the mid-grade d7000) knowing that I will inevitably buy a pro-grade one in the future.

The layout wouldn't be that different. You'd run into user errors or limitations before that camera will limit you. There's always new bodies coming out. If money is not an issue, get the best you can afford. Otherwise, don't put all your money into a body if you don't have the funds necessary for lenses to utilize its potential for the sake of being "pro." If that's the case, Nikon will have another lineup of FF bodies by the time you have good glass. Be smart about your choices.

Nah - this is more a question of... "What do I really want to do with my tax return". I'd rather spend the money on a pro camera body (just to get it out of the way) and a couple of good lenses, versus a bundle of good lenses I may or may not ever use. I'm thinking investing in a good body + a couple of lenses I could use to evaluate what I do or do not need as far as lenses are concerned and go from there would be a better decision for my own personal purposes.

 

[o hey tyler]

Obviously, I wouldn't be keeping (or using) the kit lens on a pro camera body. Hell, I don't even want to keep or use the kit lens on the D7000. My #1 priority is getting at least 1 quality lens. I might be amatuer, but I'm not stupid. I don't know why you'd assume I'd even attempt using this lens on a D700 or D800. lol

Anyway - thanks. I'm thinking I will buy the D800 regardless and get a few, better lenses.

You don't know why I'd assume you'd use your kit lens on the D800?

Because you didn't mention BUYING any lenses to go with the D800. That's why.

You really need to get your priorities straight. You'd be making a poor decision IMHO. A "pro body" does not a "pro photographer" make.

This is a common misconception among amateurs. They often think, "Why should I stick with my current entry level or mid grade body, when I could buy a PRO BODY OMGLOL and be a PROFESSIONAL PHOTOGRAPHER!?!" I'm not saying that's you, believe me. But we do get a good flow of threads with that same mindset coming through the forum. They don't take into account the lenses that they want to use, or even know what lenses TO use.

Again, I will reiterate. Unless you're going to be buying some SERIOUS glass with your D800, I'd just stick to buying serious glass rather than a new body. The D800 has a 36mp Full Frame sensor. Photographic technique and high end lenses are both paramount when using that camera. It will most likely make your photos look worse than on the D7k IMHO.

What you're failing to understand is that the guts of the camera are the same. You don't need to "learn photography" on a pro camera body. It's going to expose exactly the same way as on your D7k. The shutter speed and aperture wheels are in the same spot. Cosmetically the cameras are pretty similar. You're not gaining a whole lot by moving to a full frame body, especially if you don't even know WHAT you're gaining.

Thanks, both for the input and the insults. I'll still be buying the D800. Have a nice day.

I wasn't trying to insult you, but take it as you will. I'm trying to aggressively point out that you're making a bad decison... Because you are. I'm genuinely trying to help here. But it seems you're more concerned with pressing the "buy" button on a D800 rather than investing in glass that you can actually take full advantage of the camera with.

Have fun shooting soft 18mp images with your kit lens.

PS. Why did you even ask for advice? You were given suggestions by two people who actually know what they're talking about, and chose to disregard and combat it through and through. Throw your money away at a camera. It's YOUR money afterall. Just bear in mind that you're making a bad decision... A very bad one.

 

[Robin Usagani]

I wouldnt get the D800.. get a D4! Go all out.

 

[o hey tyler]

It's not that it's a limitation. It's more that I'm lazy and don't want to get used to one camera (the mid-grade d7000) knowing that I will inevitably buy a pro-grade one in the future.

The layout wouldn't be that different. You'd run into user errors or limitations before that camera will limit you. There's always new bodies coming out. If money is not an issue, get the best you can afford. Otherwise, don't put all your money into a body if you don't have the funds necessary for lenses to utilize its potential for the sake of being "pro." If that's the case, Nikon will have another lineup of FF bodies by the time you have good glass. Be smart about your choices.

Nah - this is more a question of... "What do I really want to do with my tax return". I'd rather spend the money on a pro camera body (just to get it out of the way) and a couple of good lenses, versus a bundle of good lenses I may or may not ever use. I'm thinking investing in a good body + a couple of lenses I could use to evaluate what I do or do not need as far as lenses are concerned and go from there would be a better decision for my own personal purposes.

Well, considering you don't have any good lenses right now... I don't know why you wouldn't invest in a 24-70 f/2.8 and a 70-200mm f/2.8 as well as some fast primes.

 

[graecyn]

Sounds like your wants are overpowering your needs. You have several posts contradicting themselves when called to the carpet (re: good glass). If you think you can't produce professional quality images with a D7000 and a 1.8 or 2.8 lens, then you haven't researched your D7000 well enough. You must be in a rush to go pro as you can't take the time to learn your current camera. Either way, your original question is moot. You're buying the D800. Gotcha. Have fun!

It's not that I don't think I could, it's that I've never used a Nikon DSLR before - my last camera was a Canon. So that's what I'm used to. I'm not in a rush to do anything, otherwise I'd have "gone pro" when I first started mucking about with my first DSLR years ago. Being that it's my first Nikon though and I know that I'd like to buy a pro-grade camera regardless at some point, you're right, maybe it is a "want" vs a "need". I don't really "need" anything. But I do know that I "want" a pro-grade camera after years of having beginner to mid-grade ones.

Maybe that just answered my own question.

 

[o hey tyler]

I don't really "need" anything.

Uh, yes you do. More glass.

Ugh, I give up. You're hopeless.

 

[Mach0]

Nah - this is more a question of... "What do I really want to do with my tax return". I'd rather spend the money on a pro camera body (just to get it out of the way) and a couple of good lenses, versus a bundle of good lenses I may or may not ever use. I'm thinking investing in a good body + a couple of lenses I could use to evaluate what I do or do not need as far as lenses are concerned and go from there would be a better decision for my own personal purposes.

Lenses will yield better results than a body without glass. That 36mp ff will need some serious glass. If you spent the same on lenses as you would on the d800, you would be surprised what you can produce. If you find that you are limited by then, then get the d800. Lenses are the real investment. If you aren't that good with the d7000, the d800 will show your mistakes even more. If you have already made up your mind, why make a thread?

 

[graecyn]

I don't really "need" anything.

Uh, yes you do. More glass.

Ugh, I give up. You're hopeless.

I'm pretty sure I've already said, two or three times now, that I intend to buy a couple of good lenses.
You're simply choosing not to acknowledge that I've said it. lol

 

[o hey tyler]

If you have already made up your mind, why make a thread?

Quoted for truth.

 

[graecyn]

Nah - this is more a question of... "What do I really want to do with my tax return". I'd rather spend the money on a pro camera body (just to get it out of the way) and a couple of good lenses, versus a bundle of good lenses I may or may not ever use. I'm thinking investing in a good body + a couple of lenses I could use to evaluate what I do or do not need as far as lenses are concerned and go from there would be a better decision for my own personal purposes.

Lenses will yield better results than a body without glass. That 36mp ff will need some serious glass. If you spent the same on lenses as you would on the d800, you would be surprised what you can produce. If you find that you are limited by then, then get the d800. Lenses are the real investment. If you aren't that good with the d7000, the d800 will show your mistakes even more. If you have already made up your mind, why make a thread?

I haven't necessarily made up my mind just yet. I AM leaning more towards a D800 though, purely to get the purchase of a pro-grade camera out of the way. Because ultimately that's what I want.

I'll take into consideration buying a couple of lenses that will work on an FX when I get it though. Considering I'll have my tax return before the D800 is released anyway, that will happen first regardless of which direction I take.

And why make a thread? Just to talk it out. I'm not looking for anyone to make decisions for me really, in the end I'll still do what I want. I'm hard-headed like that. I'm more curious what people think who may or may not know more than I do.

 

[Mach0]

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[graecyn]

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Thank you, but I'm not an absolute beginner. Just continuously considering myself an amateur.

 

[Mach0]

I haven't necessarily made up my mind just yet. I AM leaning more towards a D800 though, purely to get the purchase of a pro-grade camera out of the way. Because ultimately that's what I want.

I'll take into consideration buying a couple of lenses that will work on an FX when I get it though. Considering I'll have my tax return before the D800 is released anyway, that will happen first regardless of which direction I take.

And why make a thread? Just to talk it out. I'm not looking for anyone to make decisions for me really, in the end I'll still do what I want. I'm hard-headed like that. I'm more curious what people think who may or may not know more than I do.

You are right in doing what you want to do... If you are interested in our input, then take into consideration when all of us that chimed in agreed on one thing...... There's nothing wrong with the d7000. Spend the money on lenses. If
You are stuck on a pro body, I understand, but think of this.... Why is the d7000 used by many pros as a back up camera? Because paired with pro glass and in the hands of a skilled photographer, can yield pro results.

 

[Mach0]

Thank you, but I'm not an absolute beginner. Just continuously considering myself an amateur.

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