Wondering: D7000 vs D800 vs D700

[Dao]

I will buy the glass first. Those stupid lenses keep getting expensive. But the body price usually drop with time. So ...


Buy lenses now and enjoy the amazing image quality.
Have extra cash in a couple of years.
Then use the money and buy the full frame body.
And that will make you really happy.
Plus you may find that save you some money.

 

[Ballistics]

The D700 is also a consideration (as I thought might be evident given the title of this thread - clearly I was wrong).
I don't think "knowing what I'm getting myself into with the D800" is really an accurate statement though. It's a camera, not a king cobra. Let's be real here.

This is what I was talking about... You don't know what you're getting yourself into.

It's a different beast to shoot. It has MUCH MORE resolution, so camera shake, and crappy glass will make itself known very quickly... Especially if you're looking to crop your images.

There's a reason that Nikon introduced a PDF full of literature about how to use the D800 purely because of the fact that the sensor is of such a high resolution.

If you don't know how to use a camera, hold a camera, and have good lenses, the D800 will work against you. That's what I've been trying to tell you this entire thread. I've been trying to HELP you not HURT you.

http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf

*sighs*

I give up. I don't know how many times I have to explain that I'm not new to Digital SLR cameras. I simply consider myself an amateur photographer. That doesn't mean that I haven't been using DSLRs for years now. It's not like I woke up yesterday and said "Hey - I think I'll buy a D800 tomorrow." The only drawback I'm having is that I'm transitioning from Canon DSLRs to Nikon, and I feel the need to learn the Nikon camera technology as deeply as I knew the Canon. Which is why the question is "Should I learn on the Nikon D7000 or the D800". That does not equal "complete and total idiot to the digital camera world".

You are either purposely misunderstanding and twisting the points that tyler is trying to get across , OR...

You are emotionally and socially retarded.

You already have a body that will suit your needs AND wants. What you SHOULD do is buy better glass. Instead of blowing $4000 on a body that you don't need at all. You can spend $4000 on things like, better lenses, lighting equipment, tripod/light stands etc etc etc. By the time you actually NEED to upgrade from a D7000, the D800 will be old news. Photographically, the D7000 is the king of the crop (pun intended).

Hi all!

I recently (about a month ago) got a Nikon D7000 camera. I'm an amateur photographer at best right now, hoping to "go pro" at some point - at the moment, I am just learning all the technicalities of camera operation and practicing practicing practicing. For now - the D7000 camera is great for my needs. However I am wondering one particular thing. I DO plan on buying a pro camera ASAP, to the point where I'm considering selling the D7000 and using that money + my tax refund to purchase the D800 in March when it is released.

So I guess what I really want to know is - do I bite the bullet, sell the D7000 and buy the pro camera? Or do I hang on to the mid-grade one for a bit while I keep up with my learning and practicing?

FYI: I photograph mostly people, food, nature and stationary objects.

Thoughts welcome!

You were not attacked by anyone. You asked a question and expected a different answer than you were given, got defensive, and literally resisted all advice because your mind was already made up.

Don't ask questions that you think you have the answer to already.

Based on your OP, the advice that you should get better glass is pretty much the only right decision.

 

[Netskimmer]

Hi graecyn, I also have a D7000 and love it. I also plan to go full frame some time in the future. Like many have suggested, you probably would do better to build a decent collection of glass before getting an FX body. Its been said time and time again that bodies are and expense and lenses are an investment. Putting some good lenses in front of your D7000 will net far better results than getting a high end body and snagging one lens that isn't crappy.

As I said, I have the D7000 and I just dropped $3,000 on optics for it. I could have easily waited a little while and dropped $3,000 on the D800 and $600-$1,000 on a decent lens. Nikon's body lineup is in upheaval at the moment between the new bodies being announced and all the production issues they are having in Asia. Very few have even held a D800 or D4, the D400 should be announced any day now, no one knows exactly what the prices of the current bodies will do once the D4, D800, and D400 actually hit store shelves. One thing is certain though, good glass is good glass. It usually takes a long, long time for pro level glass to depreciate and in some cases it actually increases in value over time. Most importantly, no matter what body you have good glass can only help.

 

[ghache]

You said that d7000 is you first nikon camera? I have been shooting with d7000s since they are out and they never disapointed me. its probably more camera than you will ever need. buy some freaking glass, thats what we are telling you, or send me the money because buying a d800 is going to do anything more to your photography.

and on the other side, why would you ask a bunch of people on the interwebz how to spend your money? its your money. do whatever the hell you want with it.

 

[graecyn]

This is what I was talking about... You don't know what you're getting yourself into.

It's a different beast to shoot. It has MUCH MORE resolution, so camera shake, and crappy glass will make itself known very quickly... Especially if you're looking to crop your images.

There's a reason that Nikon introduced a PDF full of literature about how to use the D800 purely because of the fact that the sensor is of such a high resolution.

If you don't know how to use a camera, hold a camera, and have good lenses, the D800 will work against you. That's what I've been trying to tell you this entire thread. I've been trying to HELP you not HURT you.

http://www.nikonusa.com/en_US/o/Y6wrkA9OU_z04IreazIXl_22UII/PDF/D800_TechnicalGuide_En.pdf

*sighs*

I give up. I don't know how many times I have to explain that I'm not new to Digital SLR cameras. I simply consider myself an amateur photographer. That doesn't mean that I haven't been using DSLRs for years now. It's not like I woke up yesterday and said "Hey - I think I'll buy a D800 tomorrow." The only drawback I'm having is that I'm transitioning from Canon DSLRs to Nikon, and I feel the need to learn the Nikon camera technology as deeply as I knew the Canon. Which is why the question is "Should I learn on the Nikon D7000 or the D800". That does not equal "complete and total idiot to the digital camera world".

You are either purposely misunderstanding and twisting the points that tyler is trying to get across , OR...

You are emotionally and socially retarded.

You already have a body that will suit your needs AND wants. What you SHOULD do is buy better glass. Instead of blowing $4000 on a body that you don't need at all. You can spend $4000 on things like, better lenses, lighting equipment, tripod/light stands etc etc etc. By the time you actually NEED to upgrade from a D7000, the D800 will be old news. Photographically, the D7000 is the king of the crop (pun intended).

Hi all!

I recently (about a month ago) got a Nikon D7000 camera. I'm an amateur photographer at best right now, hoping to "go pro" at some point - at the moment, I am just learning all the technicalities of camera operation and practicing practicing practicing. For now - the D7000 camera is great for my needs. However I am wondering one particular thing. I DO plan on buying a pro camera ASAP, to the point where I'm considering selling the D7000 and using that money + my tax refund to purchase the D800 in March when it is released.

So I guess what I really want to know is - do I bite the bullet, sell the D7000 and buy the pro camera? Or do I hang on to the mid-grade one for a bit while I keep up with my learning and practicing?

FYI: I photograph mostly people, food, nature and stationary objects.

Thoughts welcome!

You were not attacked by anyone. You asked a question and expected a different answer than you were given, got defensive, and literally resisted all advice because your mind was already made up.

Don't ask questions that you think you have the answer to already.

Based on your OP, the advice that you should get better glass is pretty much the only right decision.

Thank you! The rest of your post (and future posts) are officially irrelevant to me.
There is no need to insult me, and I refuse to acknowledge or converse with anyone who chooses to do so. Thanks.

 

[graecyn]

Hi graecyn, I also have a D7000 and love it. I also plan to go full frame some time in the future. Like many have suggested, you probably would do better to build a decent collection of glass before getting an FX body. Its been said time and time again that bodies are and expense and lenses are an investment. Putting some good lenses in front of your D7000 will net far better results than getting a high end body and snagging one lens that isn't crappy.

As I said, I have the D7000 and I just dropped $3,000 on optics for it. I could have easily waited a little while and dropped $3,000 on the D800 and $600-$1,000 on a decent lens. Nikon's body lineup is in upheaval at the moment between the new bodies being announced and all the production issues they are having in Asia. Very few have even held a D800 or D4, the D400 should be announced any day now, no one knows exactly what the prices of the current bodies will do once the D4, D800, and D400 actually hit store shelves. One thing is certain though, good glass is good glass. It usually takes a long, long time for pro level glass to depreciate and in some cases it actually increases in value over time. Most importantly, no matter what body you have good glass can only help.

Thanks! Good points. Being that I will have my tax refund before the D800 is released, I will likely be investing in glass before upgrading to anything (I'm kind of an immediate-gratification person, so whichever comes first will ultimately determine what I'll spend the money on, no matter how much I want a new body). So I will take your advice into consideration.

 

[DorkSterr]

I agree with Schwettylens forget the D800/D800E get the D4! And you can replace your D7000 sooner . Nikon D4 + the 18-55mm lens killer combo plus you could always use crop mode in the D4 to multiply your mm for moar MM!!!!

 

[graecyn]

I agree with Schwettylens forget the D800/D800E get the D4! And you can replace your D7000 sooner . Nikon D4 + the 18-55mm lens killer combo plus you could always use crop mode in the D4 to multiply your mm for moar MM!!!!

Maybe I will buy the D4. Just cuz I can.

 

[o hey tyler]

I agree with Schwettylens forget the D800/D800E get the D4! And you can replace your D7000 sooner . Nikon D4 + the 18-55mm lens killer combo plus you could always use crop mode in the D4 to multiply your mm for moar MM!!!!

MOAR MM PLOX

 

[graecyn]

I will buy the glass first. Those stupid lenses keep getting expensive. But the body price usually drop with time. So ...


Buy lenses now and enjoy the amazing image quality.
Have extra cash in a couple of years.
Then use the money and buy the full frame body.
And that will make you really happy.
Plus you may find that save you some money.

LOL. Alright - I'm going to buy lenses first purely because you got all poetic with it.
PS: Love the fennec.

 

[Netskimmer]

I agree with Schwettylens forget the D800/D800E get the D4! And you can replace your D7000 sooner . Nikon D4 + the 18-55mm lens killer combo plus you could always use crop mode in the D4 to multiply your mm for moar MM!!!!

Nah, what you want is the D4 and this little gem.
http://www.amazon.com/Opteka-Definition-Telephoto-Digital-Cameras/dp/B0007SVHNY/ref=sr_1_4?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1329939342&sr=1-4

You'll turn heads, I guarantee it.

 

[Dao]

I will buy the glass first. Those stupid lenses keep getting expensive. But the body price usually drop with time. So ...


Buy lenses now and enjoy the amazing image quality.
Have extra cash in a couple of years.
Then use the money and buy the full frame body.
And that will make you really happy.
Plus you may find that save you some money.

LOL. Alright - I'm going to buy lenses first purely because you got all poetic with it.
PS: Love the fennec.

You know, that is true that price of the lens keep going up.

This lens Nikon 85mm f/1.4D AF Nikkor Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras cost $979 in Dec 2008 on Amazon and it is $1359 now.
The D700 cost $2999 in Oct 2008 and now it is $2699 in Amazon.

If you buy the lens $979 in 2008 and buy the body now $2699. The total is $3678
If you buy the D700 $2999 in 2008 and buy the lens now $1359. The total is $4358

A $680 price difference.


And between 2008 and now, the image produced from the setup are better because the image that cast on the sensor is better and I know you already know about this.

However, if you are planning to get the camera first and then lens in a short time later. It may not matter too much. But still, lens price usually goes up while body price usually go down with time.

 

[gsgary]

It's not that it's a limitation. It's more that I'm lazy and don't want to get used to one camera (the mid-grade d7000) knowing that I will inevitably buy a pro-grade one in the future.

It will be years before you will be able to use a D800 to it's full potential so it is a waste of money, wait until you know what you are doing

 

[graecyn]

I will buy the glass first. Those stupid lenses keep getting expensive. But the body price usually drop with time. So ...


Buy lenses now and enjoy the amazing image quality.
Have extra cash in a couple of years.
Then use the money and buy the full frame body.
And that will make you really happy.
Plus you may find that save you some money.

LOL. Alright - I'm going to buy lenses first purely because you got all poetic with it.
PS: Love the fennec.

You know, that is true that price of the lens keep going up.

This lens Nikon 85mm f/1.4D AF Nikkor Lens for Nikon Digital SLR Cameras cost $979 in Dec 2008 on Amazon and it is $1359 now.
The D700 cost $2999 in Oct 2008 and now it is $2699 in Amazon.

If you buy the lens $979 in 2008 and buy the body now $2699. The total is $3678
If you buy the D700 $2999 in 2008 and buy the lens now $1359. The total is $4358

A $680 price difference.


And between 2008 and now, the image produced from the setup are better because the image that cast on the sensor is better and I know you already know about this.

However, if you are planning to get the camera first and then lens in a short time later. It may not matter too much. But still, lens price usually goes up while body price usually go down with time.

Ohh that's good, I like hard comparisons like that. Awesome.
Yeah the body coming later will happen one way or the other just cuz... well I want it. So I'm going to buy it - it's just a matter of when. lol

But the lens prices going up... that's a lovely point to make. I've never thought about that. Thanks for pointing that out! I think you may have single-handedly persuaded me into investing in glass first and leaving a body upgrade for next year's tax return.

 

[markj]

It's hard not to get involve in this. Mach0 and Tyler, you've been too kind as far as I can see. Graecyn, after reading your posts, I'm sickened.
You sound like a spoiled BRAT! Suggesting the 7000 in the near future will be less than good enough for you. I think we are listening to someone
immature that is living with a sense of ENTITLEMENT. Some advice little girl, learn how to crawl before you sign up for any marathons.