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Mateo1041

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I'm still fairly new to shooting people non-casually, so would love any input. There are some things I'd change, but overall I feel pretty content with how things turned out. I've been using digiKam for initial processing and then GIMP in some instances for additional. What do you like or think I did right? What don't you like or would you have done differently? I kept size smaller on purpose.

Thanks.

- Matt
 
You would be better off posting 5 or so of your favorites here rather than expecting people to go off-site and look at a great many pictures.
Looking at so many pictures and saying something sensible about them is a daunting task and without the pictures actually here, the community doesn't benefit.
 
Agree 100% with Lew! I did have a quick look through the gallery, here are a few general observations: Lots of cropped limbs, etc, lots of blown skies, racoon eyes (this has the appearance of a shoot done without any sort supplemental lighting, reflectors, etc), and some awkward posing.
 
Thank you! I guess I was primarily looking for overall feedback like you included, tirediron, vs any one specific photo.

For the racoon eyes, would you suggest a flash, or more than that? I do have a flash I could have used, although might need a diffuser as I've had trouble otherwise.

For the skies, I assume you mean the overexposed white. :-) Ok. Do you suggest something like merging two different exposures to have it be more balanced?

Posing was a challenge for me. It was tricky with two disparate ages for the children. Thanks for noting.

Anything more specific when you mention cropped limbs?

Again, thanks.
 
...For the racoon eyes, would you suggest a flash, or more than that? I do have a flash I could have used, although might need a diffuser as I've had trouble otherwise.
Supplemental light of some sort; speedlights, reflectors, but something. You can do it with undiffused flash, but you'd have to be fairly careful about placement and power output. A white reflector (if large enough) will give you a nice light, but isn't very efficient.
For the skies, I assume you mean the overexposed white. :) Ok. Do you suggest something like merging two different exposures to have it be more balanced?
Yes, that's what I meant. I would suggest bringing in enough light to allow you to expose the sky properly and then fill in for a correct exposure. HDR rarely works well with people (Unless you're going for a 'grunge' look).
Posing was a challenge for me. It was tricky with two disparate ages for the children. Thanks for noting.
My suggestion here would be to shoot less and pose more. 5-10 keepers from a 1-2 hour session is perfectly respectable. Don't worry about trying to come away with a hundred frames.
Anything more specific when you mention cropped limbs?
Yes: Avoid cropping little bits of anything, toes, shoes, a hat, etc. Things like that tend to give the impression that the photographer wasn't paying attention. If you do need to crop a limb, then do it boldly, and not at/near a joint or along the axis.
 
I'm still fairly new to shooting people non-casually,

Just a note to clarify this: The photographs that are in your gallery are called "informal portraits".
 
Supplemental light of some sort; speedlights, reflectors, but something. You can do it with undiffused flash, but you'd have to be fairly careful about placement and power output. A white reflector (if large enough) will give you a nice light, but isn't very efficient.

Actually, I guess I meant speedlight. I have an attachment, so it sounds like I'd just need to practice more with it. The problem I've had is in dulling the output. It lights things up too much and makes it look really fake. Something I had found recommended elsewhere was a diffuser that fits over the flash part to dull the light. Maybe I'll just need to research.

Yes, that's what I meant. I would suggest bringing in enough light to allow you to expose the sky properly and then fill in for a correct exposure. HDR rarely works well with people (Unless you're going for a 'grunge' look).

Ok. Assuming you mean the speedlight approach here to fill in with flash to light up the foreground that'd now be darker.

My suggestion here would be to shoot less and pose more. 5-10 keepers from a 1-2 hour session is perfectly respectable. Don't worry about trying to come away with a hundred frames.

Got it. I'll be honest that I still like how many of them turned out, but maybe that's just me. Any resources for posing or ways you would have changed how it's currently set up? Husband and wife next to each other with kids posed together lower in the picture? Just trying to think of ideas here.

Yes: Avoid cropping little bits of anything, toes, shoes, a hat, etc. Things like that tend to give the impression that the photographer wasn't paying attention. If you do need to crop a limb, then do it boldly, and not at/near a joint or along the axis.

Ok, thanks.
 
I am not sure what is meant by the phrase "go off-site?" The photos ARE HERE, on TPF's own server. It's a single click to get to the image set, on a secure, TPF-owned server.

http://www.thephotoforum.com/gallery/albums/looking-for-feedback.911/

So, I looked at the entire gallery in thumbnail form, as well as clicked through the images. It took me a whole 90 seconds or so. My general C&C is this: the littler son is posed without a lot of his body showing. In group shots, he is often just kind of stuck in there as "a head". In the standing group shot, the littler son's head placement is poor. In group shots there are basic rules about head placement, and how heads need to be placed in relation to one another. Even though the younger son is much shorter than his brother, having their natural heigh difference in the shots is ungainly, and looks bad at times.

The mother was posed mostly square-shouldered to the camera, and her naturally large under-eye bags are illuminated and exaggerated VERy badly by the mostly overhead lighting. In the single shots of the mother, the background is put well out of focus, but the planes of her face are badly overexposed, and the skin tones are trending toward that sickly yellow that looks like over-exposed Nikon images to me. She is shown full-face, square-shouldered in every single shot, which is monotonous.

What you asked for was an evaluation of an entire album's worth of family photos. The single biggest issue is that I see is that it is obvious that you do not have any posing strategies except full-face, squared shoulders, which makes this, as an album, very,very boring due to the constant repetition of square shoulders, full-face. Out of a little over two dozen shots, every single image has every person positioned square to the camera, and facing straight ahead. That means the body posing is static, not dynamic. The head and chest, both in alignment. On every person, in almost every,single shot. There is absolutely no posing technique in this entire set. No head angles, no body angles, just line em up and fire.

The background control on the singles of the mother looks like long focal length; the shots of the two boys together were done at shorter focal length, with intrusive background details. The mother's under-eye bags are exaggerated due to the overexposure and the light's direction and quality, and those eye-bags need careful post-processing attention, by using the healing brush or by airbrushing or cloning out the shadow density under the eye bags themselves. Do not obliterate the eye bags, or she will look like another person to her family and friends, but DO manage to get the under-bag shadows cut wayyyyyyyy down in intensity. That is the key when photographing a person with heavy under-eye bags; to minimize, but NOT eliminate, their true eye shape and facial look or nature. The overhead, yet still soft light has created very bad shadows, and eliminating this would have been possible with a LARGE fill-light source that would fill in that shadow. But now, the only recourse is in post.

Overall, this set looks mostly consistent in terms of color and exposure, but the mother's individual shots have bad lighting on her, and the processing on all the singles of her needs to be re-done to get rid of that yellow color cast due to the over-exposure.

A tip for little boys with early teen-aged brothers or with moms or dads: perch the little kid on the thigh of a seated person. In the second shot for example, the little kid is just "a head", and so is the mom...you put the older son and the dad on the rock in front, and the mom barely shows up. A MUCH better pose would have been the mom kneeling in the back, so HER head was at the top center, then the small boy seated on his dad's lap, feel inward-angled and dangling.

On the shot in the middle, with New Prague, again, the little kid is wayyyyyyyyyy low and insignificant. The dad's beer gut shows....the little kid could have been moved over to in front of his dad's sweater belly. The older son could have been placed in front of the dad's pooching sweater, the mom moved to the left outside, the little kid propped up on what is called an "apple box".

You're shooting in a formal portrait style, but are not using any of the head spacing OR body positioning/posing strategies that are detailed in every book on formal portraiture. This is FORMAL portraiture,not informal, and has been done with no knowledge of posing fundamentals.The foreheads on most of these are VERY burned-out. The hot, over-exposed faces and foreheads does not jibe with the early autumn clothing they have on, nor with the overcast lighting conditions. I have no idea of your experience, and I do not want to hurt your feelings, but this is an example of shooting a family session and violating basically every single posing and compositional rule over and over and making the same mistakes in almost every single shot. You MUST angle people, at least some of the time. You need more than full-face, squared shoulders, and you need to expose and process properly, and appropriately. As The_Traveler mentioned some time ago, there is a line between directness and frank honesty and hurtful comments when offering C&C on a forum, and at times, it might seem that people are crossing the line. You asked for C&C on the album, and I will say that as an album, it is repetitive, and has the same exposure mistakes in most of the shots, and the posing is very much unstudied.
 
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No harm done, Derrel. I'm asking for feedback. I wasn't getting much elsewhere, so figured here would be a good option. So thank you for so much detail in your critique. I haven't done much with formal people photos, so this one was basically a test to see how things go. Obviously not as well as I had thought. :-) My wife liked them, but I think she's partial. I've done more with nature photography, but other than a couple years' practice, not any formal training. It's been more of a hobby that's fun for me.

If I wanted to study up more on posing, and if you could offer one specific resource, can you share what it would be?
 
Get your information from a respected professional whose work has passed muster with editors and specialists. AVOID people who slap up internet videos yet who have basically no qualifications, no formal training or study, or limited experience. I would suggest book learning, beginning with this book: The Portrait Photographer's Guide to Posing: Bill Hurter: 9781608952434: Amazon.com: Books

Read the reviews of the book, and you will see plenty of reviews written by noobs who expected what I call "a recipe book", and who obviously do not want to understand the theories and the concepts, but just want to be told have the person stand this way, with hands here and then place a light here and here and here.

Today, many people want recipe books that tell them a magic bullet recipe that has everything simplified down to a short ingredient list with every,single thing spelled out, with guaranteed magic poses. There's a visual language underlying all of the fine arts; what we have today are people who want to work in a visual field, but are unwilling to learn the visual language, and I mean to REALLY LEARN WHY they are posing people in specific ways.
 
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Great, thanks.

One thing I didn't mention is that this was basically a free shoot. They offered to donate to someone in need. My only prior people shoot was a wedding a couple years ago. That was more casual and they ended up really liking the result and paid me when I didn't request it. :-)
 
Thanks again for the input. I'm going to remove now that feedback has been given.
 

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