are photographers above everyone else?

[christian.rudman]

I wish you could have caught the inevitable fall! dumas...

 

[Gaerek]

Also, a photographer should know the difference between rules and laws. One you go for jail/get fined for, and at most, you can be asked to leave for breaking the other.

Just to add to this. You break a law, there's the consequence of potential fine or jail. But you can get jailtime/fine for breaking rules on private property also. Yes, most times you will just get asked to leave, but the property owners are within their rights to call the police to remove the "trespasser" if you break their rules. This is why if a rent-a-cop at the mall asks you to quit shooting (your camera, of course) you probably should or you could be cited with trespassing.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

Also, a photographer should know the difference between rules and laws. One you go for jail/get fined for, and at most, you can be asked to leave for breaking the other.

Just to add to this. You break a law, there's the consequence of potential fine or jail. But you can get jailtime/fine for breaking rules on private property also. Yes, most times you will just get asked to leave, but the property owners are within their rights to call the police to remove the "trespasser" if you break their rules. This is why if a rent-a-cop at the mall asks you to quit shooting (your camera, of course) you probably should or you could be cited with trespassing.

But there are laws that allow property owners to do that. If you are on someones property and it says "no cameras" and you sneak in a camera, you are not going to be arrested, but will probably be thrown out. However, if the police ARE called to remove you from the premises you can be, just the same as that person can call the police and there are other laws to be used at the officers discretion ( and based on your behavior ) as in disturbing the peace. That all changes when its a government installation though.

I get the point you were making though, the distinction between law and rule, is not always an easy one. That was the point I was making though as well. As a photographer, if you shoot alot of journalism or documentary, you should become well versed on your rights and what limits you can reasonably push and get away with if you absolutely have to.

 

[Gaerek]

Also, a photographer should know the difference between rules and laws. One you go for jail/get fined for, and at most, you can be asked to leave for breaking the other.

Just to add to this. You break a law, there's the consequence of potential fine or jail. But you can get jailtime/fine for breaking rules on private property also. Yes, most times you will just get asked to leave, but the property owners are within their rights to call the police to remove the "trespasser" if you break their rules. This is why if a rent-a-cop at the mall asks you to quit shooting (your camera, of course) you probably should or you could be cited with trespassing.

But there are laws that allow property owners to do that. If you are on someones property and it says "no cameras" and you sneak in a camera, you are not going to be arrested, but will probably be thrown out. However, if the police ARE called to remove you from the premises you can be, just the same as that person can call the police and there are other laws to be used at the officers discretion ( and based on your behavior ) as in disturbing the peace. That all changes when its a government installation though.

I get the point you were making though, the distinction between law and rule, is not always an easy one. That was the point I was making though as well. As a photographer, if you shoot alot of journalism or documentary, you should become well versed on your rights and what limits you can reasonably push and get away with if you absolutely have to.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you.

I was just trying to point out that it's not as easy as saying "Laws will get you fined/jailed, rules will simply get you removed." I've broken my fair share of rules to get the shot I was looking for. Never been cited for trespassing, but been told to leave many times. I try and use my judgement, of course.

"Trespassers will be shot." on a sign means I stay away. "Park closed between 10pm and 6am" on a sign means I won't have to worry about crowds for 8 hours each day.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

Just to add to this. You break a law, there's the consequence of potential fine or jail. But you can get jailtime/fine for breaking rules on private property also. Yes, most times you will just get asked to leave, but the property owners are within their rights to call the police to remove the "trespasser" if you break their rules. This is why if a rent-a-cop at the mall asks you to quit shooting (your camera, of course) you probably should or you could be cited with trespassing.

But there are laws that allow property owners to do that. If you are on someones property and it says "no cameras" and you sneak in a camera, you are not going to be arrested, but will probably be thrown out. However, if the police ARE called to remove you from the premises you can be, just the same as that person can call the police and there are other laws to be used at the officers discretion ( and based on your behavior ) as in disturbing the peace. That all changes when its a government installation though.

I get the point you were making though, the distinction between law and rule, is not always an easy one. That was the point I was making though as well. As a photographer, if you shoot alot of journalism or documentary, you should become well versed on your rights and what limits you can reasonably push and get away with if you absolutely have to.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you.

I was just trying to point out that it's not as easy as saying "Laws will get you fined/jailed, rules will simply get you removed." I've broken my fair share of rules to get the shot I was looking for. Never been cited for trespassing, but been told to leave many times. I try and use my judgement, of course.

"Trespassers will be shot." on a sign means I stay away. "Park closed between 10pm and 6am" on a sign means I won't have to worry about crowds for 8 hours each day.

I know, I wasn't trying to come off as defensive, was just clarifying a little more of what I meant.

 

[Kbarredo]

Are you kidding me. All I have to do is whip out my camera and I can go anywhere and women take off their clothes.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

Are you kidding me. All I have to do is whip out my camera and I can go anywhere and women take off their clothes.

Since whipping out anything else usually earns a chuckle from them. Or should I say "whipping OAT, eh" since you are from Canada:lmao:

 

[shortpants]

There's risky and then there's just plain stupid. If someone wants to kill themselves falling off a cliff, it's their problem not mine. Something like trampling dunes pisses me off though.

 

[bennielou]

I will say, as someone who does this for her living, I'm AMAZED at how little some photographers respect things, places, sacred ceremonies, etc.

I USED to have a zillion locations I could shoot at freely. HOWEVER DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL PHOTOGRAPHERS, my locations are now greatly limited and there are so many rules in place I practically have to jump through hoops. Or pay huge location fees....and THEN escorted by owners of the property to make damn sure I don't do boneheaded stupid $hit.

I hear the most amazing stories of crazy a$$ photographers from venue/location owners. The common excuse from these "professionals" is that they needed to do what they had to to get the shot. Sorry guys, but that is a bunch of B.S.

You know what? If you are a skilled photographer, you CAN get shots without breaking the rules, disrespecting wildlife or property, and screwing every photographer who comes after you over.

Hey....there's a thought......

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

I will say, as someone who does this for her living, I'm AMAZED at how little some photographers respect things, places, sacred ceremonies, etc.

I USED to have a zillion locations I could shoot at freely. HOWEVER DUE TO DISRESPECTFUL PHOTOGRAPHERS, my locations are now greatly limited and there are so many rules in place I practically have to jump through hoops. Or pay huge location fees....and THEN escorted by owners of the property to make damn sure I don't do boneheaded stupid $hit.

I hear the most amazing stories of crazy a$$ photographers from venue/location owners. The common excuse from these "professionals" is that they needed to do what they had to to get the shot. Sorry guys, but that is a bunch of B.S.

You know what? If you are a skilled photographer, you CAN get shots without breaking the rules, disrespecting wildlife or property, and screwing every photographer who comes after you over.

Hey....there's a thought......

you tell 'em, girlfriend! *snaps hand in a "Z" formation while bobbing head*

 

[bennielou]

A "Z" snap! Holy Cow! I love the "Z" snap!

 

[TwoTwoLeft]

Since when are dunes so fragile? You walk through them, the wind blows, and an hour later they look brand new!

 

[Kbarredo]

Are you kidding me. All I have to do is whip out my camera and I can go anywhere and women take off their clothes.

Since whipping out anything else usually earns a chuckle from them. Or should I say "whipping OAT, eh" since you are from Canada:lmao:

hey can you see the crick full of fish when you stand on the ruff of your house. We all have hill billies. We call ours newfies you call yours americans.

 

[The_Traveler]

Since when are dunes so fragile? You walk through them, the wind blows, and an hour later they look brand new!

Dune grasses are fragile.
Walking through them uproots them, they die, the dune is then unstable.

 

[GooniesNeverSayDie11]

Are you kidding me. All I have to do is whip out my camera and I can go anywhere and women take off their clothes.

Since whipping out anything else usually earns a chuckle from them. Or should I say "whipping OAT, eh" since you are from Canada:lmao:

hey can you see the crick full of fish when you stand on the ruff of your house. We all have hill billies. We call ours newfies you call yours americans.

Who said I was American? Besides, it was a joke, ease up and pull your maple leaf-embroidered flannel skivvies out of a bunch. If you make a joking comment, be prepared for a joke back.

Also, my house doesn't have a "ruff" it has a lid........welcome to America.