Dating and identifying cameras

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  1. DOTCENT

    DOTCENT TPF Noob!

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    no other markings, format 9x12 camera has a wooden frame


     
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    Hello, can you guys help me to find out the model and date of this camera, it looks like Icarette, but it was made by Zeiss Ikon, I guess after they purchased ICA, so I am confused. It also has one more wheel.. And according to the internet Zeiss never had a factory in Leipzig??

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    ^ Nice photos of the shutter but some photos of the camera would be helpful.
     
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    I thought serial number and details were more important =) It looks (almost) the same as the one on the wiki page. But here you go:

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    compur No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Yes, it appears to be an Icarette though most had "Icarette" on them. They were made both before and after Ica was purchased by Zeiss in the mid 1920s. So this one would be late 20s-30s since it has the Zeiss logos.

    The plate with "Leipzig" on it is just added later by the retailer.
     
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    Hi All,

    I am new here so I hope I am posting in the right place.

    I have an old camera that I would like some help in identifying . It came to us from my husbands father, he had it in the second world war in Germany and that's all we know. We can't ask him for any more info as he has sadly passed on.
    We want to pass it on to our Son for his birthday and would like to have some more info to go along with it.

    $Close up of lense.jpg $Side View.jpg $Side view 2.jpg $Back view.jpg $Front view.jpg

    Around the lens Periskop 1:11 85mm Orionwerk Hannover

    I can't find a serial number and I can't see how or where you put in the film.
    Any help would be appreciated.
     
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    Orionwerks were formed in 1921 from B├╝lter & Stammer and went into liquidation around 1933. TThey were better known for their Rio plate cameras, mostly 9x12's which were well made and often sold with high end lenses.

    Your camera prossibly has a slider below the front hinge that allows the whole lens, shutter, bellows, focus assembly to be pulled out as a block. If not the the back should slide apart sideways, maybe that's the lock on the side in the 3rd picture.

    Ian
     
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    Thank you Ian, that was most helpful. With your help I was able to find an example of another similar camera that showing how to open it. Until today we hadn't been able to figure it out.
    I'm afraid it's not in very good condition, it's a bit rusty on the inside here and there.

    Do you have any idea which model camera we have ?

    Thanks again for the help
    regards Sue.
     
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    Un fortunately Sue I've little or no information on Orionwerk cameras despite owning a very nice Rio 9x12 camera. They don't seem to have been imported into the UK so I've no references to them in my Almanacs from the 1920's & 30's.

    It might be possible to clean up the rust in your camera but a lot depends where it is.

    Ian
     
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    Ok thanks anyway.
    I have been trawling the Internet for more info but keep drawing a blank. I can find lots of cameras from the same company but not one the same as the camera we have. At least we know more now than we did in the beginning.

    About the rust, I don't think we are confident enough to clean it up.

    Anyway thanks again may be some more info will crop up in the future , you never know.
    Sue
     
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    I'm familiar with other German cameras; I just got a 'folder' that looks similar to your camera. It seems to me that early 20th century German made cameras weren't common in the US; I haven't found much info. about specific cameras (like mine) from that era.

    I did a brief search and found mention of a Periskop lens by Steinheil. Often the lens & shutter assembly was manufactured by a different company than the body. If it is a Steinheil or a lens by one of the other German companies it could be an excellent lens. I have a camera w/a Zeiss Teleskop lens (another good German brand) so it could be that more than one company made lenses using similar names.

    I also ran across mention of the Orionwerk cameras on the site I linked below; I've used the site before but as you'll see it's not in English and my high school French only gets me so far! Yours looks to me most like the 79 or the 82(A). As best I can tell, it says the majority of models used the common name Rio, with a letter that indicates the format of the apparatus (size of the negative produced by the camera - presumably on 120 film) -
    A is 4.5 x 6 cm, B is 5 x7.5, C is 6 x 9 cm, and D is 6.5 x 11 (which is a fairly large negative for a rollfilm camera).
    I noticed your camera has a 5 and a 7 on it but I don't know if that indicates the film/negative size or not; it might for that model with that shutter and lens assembly. It could be that your particular camera model wasn't marketed in France or Europe and was maybe just sold in Germany, and that only a certain number were made with the Periskop.

    I got an antique camera that has some rust on what I think is an aluminum interior (it looks like the inside of a tin can!). I haven't taken pictures with mine but expect the rust won't keep it from being usable although in a less antique camera I'd be more likely not to buy one with rust. The older the camera the more likely I'll just leave well enough alone. To clean/dust it I usually use a small soft brush made to clean lenses, or gently wipe w/a microfiber cloth (breathing on the lens to keep dry particles from scratching the lens).

    If it seems to be in working order I'd probably try some film in it and see how it turns out.

    Sharon


    edit - There used to be a camera guide by Mckeown but it seems like the last edition was several years ago and I don't think it's in print any longer; maybe you could find a copy at the library?
     
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    I just inherited a camera from my grandpa and would like to know a little more about it (I'm a total newbie to photography, so be gentle). Googling has led me to believe it's a Zeiss Contaflex I, but I don't have any information as far as a possible date/age or anything like that. Sorry for the bad photos, I'm stuck with just my phone right now.

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    the inside of the lens is inscribed: ‘Tessar 1:28 f=45mm Carl Zeiss Nr 1377640’, with SYNCHRO-COMPUR etched into the metal on the outside of one of the dials.
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    The Zeiss logo on the back cover. Below reads MADE IN GERMANY STUTTGART

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    this is the only number of any kind I could find anywhere on the body, so I guess it's the serial number? It's on the bottom right hand side (as you hold the camera to shoot) and reads 'G 3911'.

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    Anyone have any idea how old this thing could possibly be, and where I might be able to find a manual? I'd like to give it a try but I have no idea what I'm doing.

    eta: the Zeiss lens SN list earlier in the thread puts this at 1932, but is that for every single lens made by zeiss regardless of type? and is there a list floating out there for the bodies?
     
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