Looking at Lightroom 6. Help please.

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  1. Canuckphotos

    Canuckphotos TPF Noob!

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    You guys are so awesome!!!!!!! Thanks so much for the help and making this easier for my little brain to understand LOL. As a hobbyist photographer I'm reluctant to commit myself to monthly payment. I haven't broken through the pro world and just started doing photo shoots for friends and family. Going to build a portfolio and see where it takes me . I know photographers are found everywhere now and not holding my breath. I just like to have fun with photos and test my creativity limits.

    Thanks folks for the help and I'll have to do some reading and weigh my options.


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  2. Derrel

    Derrel Mr. Rain Cloud

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    BUY yourself a copy, or pay the $9.99 monthly ransom for three years, and pay over double the cost of a bought-and-payed-for copy that you can use without an internet connection and without Adobe snooping on you all the time.
     
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    snowbear Big Furball Supporting Member

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    I finally bit the bullet and got a 1-year subscription for the Photographer's package on Amazon. I just have to renew in June.
     
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    Ysarex Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    Photoshop is a raster image editor and Lightroom is a parametric image editor, as such they are radically different tools. Photoshop edits your images at the pixel level -- it pushes pixels around and will in fact change pixels. There's a method of working with Photoshop called layering that allows you to preserve the state of your original but it get's memory and file size intensive as well as ungainly. Some of what PS can do is forced destructive what we mean by that is that you have to commit the pixel change which then prevents you from backing out. You can of course always save your original unedited, but once you commit pixel changes you shut the door on easily changing your mind.

    Lightroom implements all edits parametrically. It doesn't (it can't) change individual pixels directly. In fact LR saves it's edits in a text file as instructions. This has the advantage of allowing totally non-destructive surgically accessible re-edit ability as well as really easy access to multiple versions of the photo (just need a copy of the text file). Another advantage of this is dramatic savings in disk space used. The parametric workflow is the better option but not always possible. So the rule is do it parametrically if you can and resort to the raster editor if you must.

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  5. KmH

    KmH Helping photographers learn to fish Supporting Member

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    As far as image editing using Lightroom's Develop module and Photoshop's Camera Raw, both use Adobe Camera Raw (ACR).
    That way a Raw file edited in Lr of Ps can move seamlessly back and forth between the 2 applications because they both use the same Raw converter.

    While Lightroom's Library module is a image database management module and Lightroom's primary reason for being. However, many people have no experience using a database management system because they are used to using a computers file browser system. Note too that none of your image files get stored IN Lightroom. Your image files remain in your computer's browser based file system.

    Using Lightroom's Library module is necessary so Lightroom can keep track of where in your computer's memory your image files are.
    In other words, if you ingest your image files using Lightroom but subsequently move a file using your computer's file management system instead of Lightroom's Library module Lightroom no longer knows where those moved image files are in your computer's memory.

    Adobe Bridge is included with Photoshop CC. Bridge also lets us rate and keyword our image files and is a browser as opposed to being a database manager.

    Photoshop CC can do way, more kinds of edits than Lr can and Ps can do edits more precisely than LR can.
     
  6. jaomul

    jaomul Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    I have the subscription. I think it's worth the outlay, but there are pros and cons for both.

    If you get a new camera, the standalone version may not support the new raw file. Often they are upgraded with software, but sometimes it isn't updated until the next version. This can be problematic, but Adobe do a free software called DNG converter that allows you convert a raw file to a DNG which is basically an Adobe Raw file, so there is a work around if going fwd you have issues.

    You could rent for a very short time and see if it is worthwhile, but if you buy standalone lightroom you have a very good editing software
     
  7. OGsPhotography

    OGsPhotography No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Holy cow! PS is that intense ?? This is what I find confusing..... why don't they just combine the two and come up with a all in one program that is user friendly LOL?!?!

    Now with the CC is that something that can be used offline? Are all my photos in a cloud somewhere ? And if I decide one day I no longer want the service will

    You get a month after ending subscription to get your photos backed up.

    Yes it is available offline, I have 6k photos on my phone in Lr.... keep backups in a HD, and I think they go to a cloud as well.

    If you could make a simple program that does what Ps and Lr does, market it omtk the world, and get people on board you will be rich beyond belief.
     
  8. Derrel

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    Soooooo disingenous. Seriously. And sooo utterly,totally, obliviously outdated in your way of thinking. Every time I read this same,exact,shopworn kind of post, from you, specifically, from you, I wonder if you are payed by Adobe? This must be the fiftieth similar post I have read from you about this, KmH, over literally years and years. And I am being serious: Are you payed by Adobe to promote Photoshop?

    Keep enjoying those 169-megabyte versions of each edit you create....I'll stick with Lightroom and its tiny,tiny sidecar files.

    Pixel-level editing. Very 1990's. Photoshop.

    Parametric editing. Very twenty-first century. Lightroom.

    Might be time to re-think some things.
     
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    As Derrel stressed above, get the LR6 standalone while you can. It's very likely the last version you can actually own. Adobe is bent on jacking LR6 standalone owners around re: updates and mobile apps but don't fold and buy into the CC herd until it's absolutely necessary.

    Download the free Nik Collection plug-ins, too, while they're still available:

    Google Nik Collection
     
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  10. OGsPhotography

    OGsPhotography No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Adobe makes both programs.

    Ps should be called Gs. Its a graphics shop.
    Lr is the photo shop.

    Both are amazing. I happen to like highly stylized, cooked graphics.
     
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    Braineack Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    you get all the same updates. however, Adobe--being the horrible company they are--removes some features from the standalone version. Guided Alignment tool and Dehaze for two.

    These happen to be my two favorite tools.
     
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    Kind of, but when a new version of lr comes out, the older one stops updating, so you could lose raw support for newer cameras once standalone version updates
     

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