What is fully manual?

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  1. thatguy

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    I usually use aperture or shutter priority, but I was interested as to what counts as fully manual. Obviously it would be in manual mode, setting shutter speed and aperture, but what about metering. If you shoot in manual with the cameras built in meter, compensating as neccessary, does this not count as being fully manual? If a fully manual camera doesn't have a meter, does its user just use a handheld meter? I just thought of this whilst reading another post and got confused as to what manual meant. I've always thought that setting aperture, shutterspeed and iso/asa was as manual as possible.
     
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    I don't think there is a proper definition for 'fully manual'. Some people mean manual focus...which has nothing to do with exposure. :lol:

    Realistically, there is little difference between using Av or TV with exposure compensation...or using manual mode and the camera's built in meter.

    There are several ways to meter, without using the camera's meter. The Sunny 16 rule, for example. However, with digital, one of the easiest/bast ways to meter is by shooting and viewing the histogram to determine if your exposure was good.

    The way I see it...people say 'shooting in manual' as an opposite to shooting in auto mode. It doesn't really matter as there are many different ways to determine your exposure.
     
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    Sunny 16 rule? Fill me in Big Mike.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunny_16

    Basically, in bright sun light your exposure should be close to:
    F16 and a shutter speed that is the reciprocal of your ISO. So 1/100 for ISO 100.

    You can extrapolate your settings from there.
     
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    A pinhole camera and some rocks for a tripod.

    As Mike says, very bright. If you have a hard edge to the shadow cast by your hand at waist level they you are at f16. With practice you can judge by how fuzzy the shadow is what your aperture setting should be.
     
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    I think that fully manual can be strictly defined as "no batteries."

    More loosely, and more commonly, it means not capable of auto-focus.
     
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    I agree with Max..... thats what I think of when someone mentions "full manual".

    Sunny 16 rule
    or
    Selenium light meter

    with my old Asahiflex IIB or M3.


    My friends used to ask me "why?". I usually say that most of the enjoyment of shooting with a DSLR is at the end... when I"m processing the photos and seeing the results. With these older cameras... I enjoy the whole process beginning to end.
     
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    Strictly yes. But I personally do think of it as overriding the camera settings. Yes they have a light metre in them and digital cameras must run on batteries, but I still consider Manual exposure modes combined with manual focus to be manual in my books. The reason is simple, Manual to me means that if I take a picture change the situation and take it again the camera does NOTHING to compensate for it. Yes the light metre is thinking wtf is this guy doing and flashes a big off exposure thing in the view finder and the focus light is blinking, but the camera still does nothing for the new photo which fits the dictionary definition:

    Manual: requiring human effort;
     
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    Well, that may be true of "manual," but not of "fully manual."

    The OED definition of "fully" is as follows:
    "In a full manner or degree; to the full, without deficiency; completely, entirely; thoroughly, exactly, quite."

    Thus, a "fully manual camera" is one that is completely, thoroughly, or exactly manual.

    So I'm gonna pull a Bill Clinton here and say it depends on your definition of what the word "is" is. In that case, "the camera is fully manual" means not capable of being automatic. That's semantically distinct from "the camera is capable of being fully manual (in addition to automatic)."
     
  10. If you were strict you would also inclunde non-exposure related items such as film transport or cocking the shutter.
     
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    "No batteries" covers these.
     
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    Some cameras can have fully automatic shutter movements without batteries. The Nikon FE has it. Granted it works at 1/90th only, but still ;)
     

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