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5D MK II Announced - the moon shines

I'm rather glad whenever I see someone adult enough, independent enough, and intelligent enough not to be duped by "brand loyalty" and the ridiculousness of everything that goes with that. I've "switched" from and to just about every camera maker there is and I think I'm much much better off for it. I always get my money back out of the system and owning (if I sell timely) is always cheaper than renting. After a person knows the basics of photography learning a new camera system only takes a few hours of attentive use and manual reading. I go from P&S to dSLR to Bridge camera to film and jump just anywhere I like. It keeps the experience alive and keeps me close to the technological vortex of camera evolution. My most recent move was from a D2x to a Konica/Minolta bridge camera called the A2 and currently worth only about $200. I'm about ready to change again too. Life is good! :thumbup:
 
Being able to use it, or just to carry it, in pouring rain or very wet conditions is also important to me as I like hill walking/climbing in Britain and it often rains. It seems extraordinary that Canon haven't picked up on this one.

Check this out...
As you can see from the first image below the body is made up of three pieces of magnesium, the only plastic elements being sides and the base. With the advent of the Mark II Canon are finally talking about the dust / water resistance of the body, the second image below shows these seals, Canon's description: "The battery compartment, memory card door, LCD and the camera buttons are all fitted with sealing materials (indicated in red). In addition the adoption of high precision split-level alignment of the magnesium-alloy external covers, high precision dial construction and external rubber grip covers (indicated in green), has improved the camera's dust and water resistance."
From HERE
 
Just looking at the specs again since I don't pay much attention to these things...

Why is everyone considering switching to a FF 12.1MP camera from Nikon compared to a 21.1MP FF camera from Canon? Seriously. Nikon has no dSLRs above 12MP out right now. And yes, I realize MP isn't everything in the grand scheme of things but the more you have, the more you can work with it.

And pricewise, the D700 street $$ is more than the MSRP on the 5DII. Granted, it has some weather sealing but overall, is that enough for the additional cost with reduced performance?

If the D700 is your consideration for a FF body, you'd be better off going with a first gen 5D with similar performance for a whole lot less, especially in a few months.
 
Just looking at the specs again since I don't pay much attention to these things...

Why is everyone considering switching to a FF 12.1MP camera from Nikon compared to a 21.1MP FF camera from Canon? Seriously. Nikon has no dSLRs above 12MP out right now. And yes, I realize MP isn't everything in the grand scheme of things but the more you have, the more you can work with it.

And pricewise, the D700 street $$ is more than the MSRP on the 5DII. Granted, it has some weather sealing but overall, is that enough for the additional cost with reduced performance?

If the D700 is your consideration for a FF body, you'd be better off going with a first gen 5D with similar performance for a whole lot less, especially in a few months.

In the UK the D700 is £500 cheaper than the 5D mkII

the 5D mkII may have more pixels but the image quality on the D700 looks far better to me from the shots I've taken on both cameras

The AF is far far far far better on the D700 than ANY Canon at the moment and I use a 1D mkII which has very good focusing but the D700 is better than that
 
What we're overlooking here, is that Canon has managed to achieve D700 or D3 - like ISO performance, WHILE having 10 million MORE pixels crammed into the same size sensor.

I downloaded the original 25600 ISO image on DPReview and edited it in LR just a bit (I'm no pro noise reducer) but the noise came out FAR more easily than 3200 on the 40D.

Switching? As mentioned by previous posters, most people who are even considering either of these cameras have at least $10k in glass. The reason would have to be pretty doggone good to switch.
 
the 5D mkII may have more pixels but the image quality on the D700 looks far better to me from the shots I've taken on both cameras

The AF is far far far far better on the D700 than ANY Canon at the moment and I use a 1D mkII which has very good focusing but the D700 is better than that

Are you able to post the shots you took on here? Those are hard to come by at this moment!
 
The AF is far far far far better on the D700 than ANY Canon at the moment and I use a 1D mkII which has very good focusing but the D700 is better than that

The AF on the 5D series is not comparable to the exponential increase in AF points on the 1D or D700. I wouldn't even consider them in the same decision matrix.
 
The AF on the 5D series is not comparable to the exponential increase in AF points on the 1D or D700. I wouldn't even consider them in the same decision matrix.

People are tearing apart the AF on the new 5D, but consider the market for a camera like this. Who is going to be shooting sports on it? It's not meant to be a fast action PJ or Sports camera at 3.whatever FPS, but for studio or commercial work, it's pure gold. Oh, and landscapes? It does have it's benefits. And as time goes on, it will be recognized as an awesome camera.
 
The 5D I currently own is mainly being used for studio portraits and event photography. FPS and multiple AF points have little to do with this type of work and while the call for large prints is rare, it is nice to have the ability to print at larger sizes when needed. My main problem recently has been justifying $8K for the 1DS MKIII and the new 5DII has made that decision a lot easier. :D
 
The 5D I currently own is mainly being used for studio portraits and event photography. FPS and multiple AF points have little to do with this type of work and while the call for large prints is rare, it is nice to have the ability to print at larger sizes when needed. My main problem recently has been justifying $8K for the 1DS MKIII and the new 5DII has made that decision a lot easier. :D

I'm sure a lot of people share your sentiments. I'm sure there are a lot of people that own 1Ds's that are pretty mad right now though.
 
we should all wait for production samples to be tested. Then we can decide what field of application the camera is good for, and then decide if we buy it. Should it not be like that? ;)

I am considering it for landscape work BTW. Oh and the more pixel my image has, the less relevant noise becomes if I print at the same size. Also aggressive noise reduction in (post)processing kills by far less detail if the pixel resolution of the original image is larger. In other words the effective leap forward in high ISO noise will be very significant compared to the 5D mk I if you print at the same size or use both cameras to finally create 13MP images.
 
I just ordered mine and there ain't nothing you can say about it that will make me regret it. (other then my account is empty but shh....)
 
I borrowed a friend's D80 a few days ago and was experimenting with it. I found the controls to be mind-blowing, as there were so many of them and they weren't marked in any way that I found meaningful (having not seen the manual, which he didn't have with him). Far from enjoying all the AF points I was trying to turn all bar one off, as I wanted to photograph someone through slats and the damned thing kept focussing on the slats. I'm sure there must be a way, but I couldn't work it out and he didn't know (he used the camera like a P&S).

He had Nikon's 28-200 zoom fitted, and I have to say that I thought it was a horrible lens to use. Because I couldn't do what i wanted with AF I turned it off, but found the very thin manual focus ring to be difficult to hold (impossible with gloves) and jerky in its movement. I gave up trying to focus accurately with it. I also wasn't very keen on the zoom, as it didn't move linearly but seemed to "change gear" about half way towards the telephoto end. It was smooth in its action but still difficult to use precisely. My Canon 100-400L has a push-pull zoom so that's not comparable, but the focus ring on that lens, and on my 24-105L, is beautifully smooth and easy to grip even with gloves on, as is the rotating zoom ring on the 24-105. The Canon lenses feel vastly better made, though I didn't see any results from the Nikon lens.

I was initially a bit surprised that on the Nikon lens the focus ring was close to the camera body and the zoom was at the business end. Meant that I HAD to remove the lens hood from it's inverted "stored" position to use the lens at all, unlike both my Canon zooms (and all the FD lenses I have at home, from several manufacturers).

All this talk about Nikon's sophisticated AF compared with Canon's rather primitive offering (!) ..... I generally turn off the AF points on my 5D, and use just one on the main subject. Allows me to be far more creative.

In any case, Canon are saying that the 5DMkII doesn't just have the AF points you can see (I forget if it's more than the 9 of the Mk1) but that these are only the ones you can control. They say the whole image is covered with AF points that the camera sees but you don't. I'm not sure I understand that, but if I do then it means that my strategy of choosing one point I want to be in sharp focus won't work with that camera, and I don't like that.

From what I've seen so far I won't be buying the MkII, and in fact I can't see any other Canon DSLR I want to buy. I'll keep my Mk1 and my two L zoom lenses and probably add a fast 50mm and maybe an UWA zoom, but that will be it.

My next camera based on what's out there today will certainly be a Nikon, probably a D700 or a D3. I won't buy a D3 until the price drops quite a lot, as I think it will, and even then possibly not just because of the sheer size of the thing. Nikon seem understand that it's the quality of the pictures you take that matters, not a detailed check-list of merit points. These two Nikons will take superb pictures in low light very quickly, and that'll do me. But I'll need to choose the lenses very carefully, as none of the Nikkor lenses I've used recently impressed me with their build quality or ergonomics.

I'm an enthusiastic amateur who's published a bit (back in film days, using my much loved A1) and I want the quality of pro kit but not the bulk and probably not all the gongs and whistles. I know lots of amateur photographers like that, so I expect the D700/5DMkII area of the market to become very important and competitive. I just wish Canon had done a bit better with this most important upgrade - it isn't enough to stop the trend towards Nikon.
 
People are tearing apart the AF on the new 5D, but consider the market for a camera like this. Who is going to be shooting sports on it? It's not meant to be a fast action PJ or Sports camera at 3.whatever FPS, but for studio or commercial work, it's pure gold. Oh, and landscapes? It does have it's benefits. And as time goes on, it will be recognized as an awesome camera.

I think most people looking for a camera at around this price point won't be thinking of studio work, but will be amateurs wanting a camera for general use. For that the D700 seems much better suited (and regardless of regional differences is at around the same price point). In not covering the needs of those people better, the majority of potential customers, I think Canon have made a huge mistake. I'm sure the MkII will be an excellent camera and I'd rather have it than my MkI, but when I have to put down my dollars/pounds/euros there are other cameras out there that would better serve my needs. When I bought the MkI that wasn't the case, but it certainly is now.

Still, I'm not about to rush out to buy a new camera, so perhaps Canon will have a suitable model by then. But Nikon have raised the bar very high for people like me.
 
What we're overlooking here, is that Canon has managed to achieve D700 or D3 - like ISO performance, WHILE having 10 million MORE pixels crammed into the same size sensor.

The high ISO on the 5D mkII is good but its nowhere near as good at the D700 or D3
 

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