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Advise please......

Some are homless by choice.....I have meet a few of them......I find that the homeless have more interesting storys than everyday people......I beloved I will have a better responce and get them talking easier than normal people that wouldn't give you time of day.....so I'm going to do it and I won't post any of them here for critic......because I don't want to offend any of the special people here.
 
Bad form to ask for 'ideas, suggestions' and then get upset when you are offered ideas and suggestions. And I agree they should be treated as you would everybody else, would you take photographs of rich people on the street without asking?

Definitely talk to the people first-just think of the response you would get if you were skulking in a corner with your 70-200 photographing lawyers, doctors, upper class women. They would call the cops on you. When I was in art school, a number of students did photo essays of homeless people, and it more often than not came off as exploitive. I would suggest taking a smaller P&S or rangefinder, and talking to these people while you take their photos.
 
Some are homless by choice.....I have meet a few of them......I find that the homeless have more interesting storys than everyday people......I beloved I will have a better responce and get them talking easier than normal people that wouldn't give you time of day.....so I'm going to do it and I won't post any of them here for critic......because I don't want to offend any of the special people here.
You might want to check the attitude! You asked the question, most people here have given you essentially a variant of the same answer. What is your problem with that? Granted many homeless people seem to make good photo subjects because they appear different or more dramatic than the "average" person. I was recently at a seminar where Wendell Phillips discussed this very topic, and his advice was NEVER SURPRISE people, especially homeless people. Check out his Downtown Eastside gallery from Vancouver - he talked to every one of those people, they LET him take those shots. This man gets paid more for pressing a shutter release than most people in this forum combined. Just saying...
 
Open to ideas, suggestions

Liar. Like pgriz says, I don't even understand what you're so up in arms about. People made friendly suggestions, offered up useful ideas, and responded to you with nothing but respect. It's like if I asked somebody how to make a cheeseburger & went off the handle when they had the audacity to insinuate I might want to use a grill. Seriously, what the hell man?

Now, for the sake of the people you're going to be visiting, I'll give you my thoughts on the matter. I've never done street photography of the homeless but I do volunteer from time to time with a group called Project Live Love who, among other things, hits the streets of Atlanta with blankets gloves & handwarmers for the homeless on nights the shelters are full & they temperatures drop below 30. Some guidelines they've taught us when working with the homeless:
1) Never sneak up. Make your presence known very clearly, who you are, what you're doing, and show that you're not a threat. As you're walking up, like 20 feet away from their camp, start saying "Hi there, I was wondering if we could talk with you for a few minutes? My name's So&So and this is Whojewhatsits, and we're on a photojournalism assignment. I was wondering if you'd mind if I take a few photos with you and talk for a bit?" The key here is making sure that you're not surprising anybody. There are real jerks in the world, and the homeless have been conditioned to have to watch out for these people. It's important to show respect and make it clear you mean no harm.
2) Never travel alone. Nevermind the homeless people, the rapist or mugger around the corner might be waiting for ya with that nice shiny camera. You travel with a friend on this type of shoot. Not for protection, not as a weapon, and not as "back up", just as a friend. The people who you approach will feel less threatened and you'll be able to feel safer. Plus, while you're head is buried in a viewfinder, it's a good idea to have someone be aware of your surroundings.
3) You can't fix everything for anyone. With Project Live Love, our policy is to never give food or money to them, our goal is warmth only so they survive the night. For this reason, whether its the truth or not, you do not have your wallet with you, do not have any food, and don't have anything to give them but blankets gloves and socks. In the case of a photo-assignment, obviously your main goal there is for yourself, not for them, so if you want to choose something to bring along to donate, that's fine, but keep in mind that hand-outs offend some people, some people will see you have money and want it all, some people will become irate when you choose the wrong thing to share.

So to sum up what I learned with Project Live Love, the most important thing you need to do is treat people as human beings with respect and treat them as friends not zoo exhibits. Next, understand that you're walking into a dangerous situation and you should act accordingly. This does not mean you bring weapons of any type and certainly do not brandish them, it just means that you don't travel alone, and make sure you are aware of your surroundings at all times. Make sure your friend traveling with you follows rule #1 also. He is not your backup, he is another friend.

Using homeless people to learn how to talk to people, I hope that was a poorly worded sentiment. First, using people is wrong, especially when they have nothing. Second, many homeless people wound up that way because they have deep seeded emotional and mental problems that you are probably not trained to handle...so learning how to deal with people from them is sort of like learning to drive on a formula one car, learning to house train a lion, or picking up a 5D Mk II for your 8 year old to learn about taking pictures.

All that being said, when you feel you have a good grasp of the humanity involved in this project, and how to treat people and yourself with the respect deserved, I wish you luck on the project. But you might want to wait until you learn the self-control to stop telling strangers in online forums how much we suck for trying to help you.
 
I want to formally apologise to everyone here who thought they were helping me by saying that they felt my motives were shady.....I postponed my visit whit the less fortunate today and went to the park instead and began my street photography....meet some nice people and got some great shots......


I really appreciate the ones that at least try to help me as a new photog, and give my guidence rather that assume things that they think Im going to do.....

Reading throght this post it is clear that people think I was going to go to the homless areas and wait around the corner or behind trees and pop out and srprise people and run off with a photo.....I had read alot of info and watched alot of videos on how others do shoots like the one described here.....I asked for advise here because I assumed I would get non judgemental responces.

It was only a few replys after I started this thread I read this...( But I have to concur with lew here that your attitude does seem a bit off)...Really? This is what started my attitude rolling....you dont know me.


I decided to start my street photography with the folks down by where I work, this is where I feel comfrotable...Im there every day....and get this reply.


Take a buddy...good advise
Take someone with experience....good advise
Trade smokes for photos....good advise
Take a point and shoot.....advise, I only have the 70-200 and have read many posts that say how great of a potrtait lens it is....I guess It would seem to be a stalker lens as well

So to sum it up........this is done unless someone else has something the just have to add.
 
WOW, you people really some judgemental people......you act as though just because your homeless and possibly choose to live on the street is some kind of plauge sent down by god or something....why should you treat these people any different from someone walking down the street...there all human.

I work in a area where the homless roam....I see them everyday and donder to myself how they came to be here.....im sure some by choice.

My attitude seems off???? Really ...you have never met met me and dont know anything about me or my motives.....GET OFF YOUR PEDESTOOL.....maybe YOU have the problem

My personal back up is a bag of burgers to trade for storys......and if you must know I have carried CCW for most of my life and I will have it today as well....it is like my car keys and wallet.



Back up off the bus and chill out......

I think you will find quite a few have fought for your country and come back from war with issues and had no help from the government and ended up with broken marriages and ended up on the street through no fault of their own, my heart goes out to these
 

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