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Auto ISO in manual = Shutter and Aperture priority.

Yup. More and more I think this is just a factor of the kind of things I shoot. I just don't shoot much that moves around really fast through drastically changing light.

So... ignore me. :)
 
I never said I was trying to win. Are you trying to say I shouldn't learn how to operate my camera to the best of my ability?


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I guess a lot for me depends on the shooting situation. If I have the time to prep a shot, sure, I like being able to control all the variables. A lot of times I just don't have that kind of time though, I have to be ready to shoot in variable lighting conditions and often find myself just having to grab the camera and fire - because a lot of my subjects can't be posed or told where to stand or what to do, so as a result auto iso has a lot of real world benefits to my style of photography.

If I were working in conditions where I had control of my lighting, my subject, etc - or a few moments to setup each shot, then I might not find it as useful as I do - but it has nothing to do with operating the camera to "the best of my ability", it has to do with adapting to each individual shooting situation and finding the most efficient solution.
 
I took my D7100 to the zoo for my first actual outing with it. As soon as I got there I was messing with the settings to get the pictures how I wanted it. I was in manual mode, with my ISO set to auto, an aperture of 5.6, and shutter speed of 1/500. I then realized how truly awesome auto ISO is. It basically creates a "Shutter&Aperture" priority mode. Do most of you use auto ISO? What would be some examples of a time not to use it? The only thing I can think of is if your settings are set to a point where even a high ISO wont allow for enough lighting.
I use auto-ISO exclusively for my bird photography (which means 98%) of the time. I shoot in manual and use EC to adjust ISO as needed based on metering/bird color. It is invaluable for how I shoot. I know where my lens is sharpest, I know what shutter speed I need. If I'm shooting a stationary bird at 1/250th and it takes flight, my mind is programmed how many clicks on the thumb wheel to get to 1/1000th or more. Shoot with Auto-ISO and enjoy it!
 
@ techboy,I don't think anyone said that nikon has better Auto ISO but with nikon in manual with auto ISO you can set your shutter speed,aperture and adjust the exposure comp.For example with nikon you can set the shutter speed,aperture and then adjust the exposure comp in increments + or minus values. Canon you can not do this but only in bracketed shots.I want to hold the shutter with birds in flight maybe 7 frames of the same value,I don't need or want a 3 or more shots bracketed of different exposure,this does nothing for me,except give me over,under and normal exposures. I might want 1/1600 @ f/8 and EV+1/3 but no can do in manual.
 
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This thread is giving weird advice at this point and kind if going south. Wish I would have just stayed out of it at this point.


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I guess I'm a little confused as to what you find "weird" about the idea of using Auto-ISO. For me it's pretty simple, there are a lot of times where I don't have the time to be adjusting aperture, shutter speed, and ISO all manually especially on my D5200 - which has a limited set of external controls which means I'd have to resort to accessing menus in many cases.

By using auto-iso I can select aperture priority and control the aperture, or shutter priority and control my shutter speed depending on whats more important to the shot, and then let the camera select the ISO and I'm ready to fire at a moments notice. If I have the time and I want more control, I can alter the ISO to perfect the shot and even use it to manipulate the aperture if I'm in shutter priority or the shutter speed if I'm in aperture priority - so I have pretty much have the best of all worlds.

I don't have to worry about setting it for proper exposure if I lack the time to do so prior to getting the shot I need, but I have the option of doing so if I have sufficient time and wish to use it to manipulate the aperture or shutter speed depending on what shooting mode I'm using. I find it efficient.

If I were using a camera that had more external controls or found myself in shooting situations where I had plenty of time to setup or more control over various factors then I might not find it as useful, but for me it is an extremely useful feature to have.
 
@ techboy,I don't think anyone said that nikon has better Auto ISO but with nikon in manual with auto ISO you can set your shutter speed,aperture and adjust the exposure comp.For example with nikon you can set the shutter speed,aperture and then adjust the exposure comp in increments + or minus values. Canon you can't not do this but only bracketed shots.

Oh okay, fair enough:)
 
An earlier, 2011 article on Auto ISO for Canon d-slr users is here: An In-depth Discussion of M + Auto-ISO for Canon SLRs: Digital Photography Review

A later, October 2013 min-update mentioned a few comments regarding the use of AUTO ISO in Aperture-priority mode:How to Use Av + Auto-ISO: Digital Photography Review

"Nikon is several steps ahead of Canon when it comes to Auto-ISO. You set a fixed MSSS (minimum safe shutter speed), or you can choose between five different rules. Under the slowest rule, the MSSS is 1/ (0.25 x FL); under the fastest rule, the MSSS is 1 / (4 x FL), with the three rules in between: 1 / (0.5 x FL), 1 / FL, and 1/ (2 x FL). So the photographer can choose the rule that suits his hand steadiness the best. Even more impressive is the fact that some Nikon DSLRs have User Mode which you can assign a different rule. For example on my D600, I have made U1 mode Av + Auto-ISO with MSSS being 1/ (2 x FL). Whenever I need someone else to take a picture for me, I set the camera to this mode, set the aperture, and I know that their untrained hand is not going to ruin the shot with shake blurs regardless which Focal Length they choose to use on my 24-85mm VR. On the other hand when I use Av mode myself, I stick to 1/FL."

There seems to be a misunderstanding that AUTO ISO use somehow automatically leads to "High ISO". That is in fact, not necessarily true, whatsoever. Besides, what is "High ISO? 400? 500? 640? 800? 1600? 3200? It depends on the camera's sensor, and the lighting conditions, and the intended use of the image. The user sets the A)preferred ISO, as well as B)the ISO ceiling. The camera will use the preferred ISO value, and will only increase ISO up to the ceiling ISO, which is determined by the user, and the user's understanding of the situation and priorities. Ergo, AUTO ISO does not directly lead to "high ISO" values being used; the USER still has control, but no longer needs to constantly risk interrupted shooting and yo-yo'ing the settings to avoid compromising a fixed manual shutter speed and a specific f/stop preference when his ISO value is not high enough. Indoors under artificial, narrow-spectrum light at arenas and stadiums, HIGH ISO can look poor, but under full-spectrum daylight, higher ISO can look fine, especially in areas where there's a lot of fill light and limited shadows, like...over or near water. Like--at the beach.

One of THE biggest uses for AUTO ISO I think is when using slowish lenses like the 70-300 VR-G at places like the beach. Or, when using a camera aboard a boat in activities like saltwater salmon fishing, where the ISO levels are LOW on one side of the boat, but the brightness dropoff on the "shadow side" of the boat, looking down into green water, is simply HUGE. The conditions there demand a FAST shutter speed, to freeze movement from wind and waves, but you're pretty much desirous of a small f/stop to get depth of field over a wide distance range, and especially aboard the boat. Other people mentioned birds in flight; now that we're gonna see the new Tamron 200-600mm f/5~6.3 become the new, popular birder's lens, we're gonna see more and more people using AUTO ISO because they are "stuck" in a very, very narrow range of usable f/stops. AUTO ISO in Manual is a feature that has become more useful as variable maximum aperture tele-zoom lenses kind of "crimp our style".

I shot a beach portrait session a few weeks back with some AUTO ISO, and the 80-200 2.8 AFS and 200 VR-G as my only two lenses. I went for Low 1.0 (E.I. 50) to Low 0.7 (EI 64) to a maximum of 400 ISO. Worked GREAT, and the issue was mostly wind of 20-25 MPH, all danged day long, necessitating fast speeds, as well as f/5.6 or f/6.3 for desired depth of field, no matter where the subject was, in relation to the sun and ocean. f/5.6 at 1/1000 second at ISO 400 was my ending exposure around 6:00 PM. I was able to keep the NEEDED speed and f/stop pairing constant in front-lighted, side-lighted, and backlighted conditions without even a second thought to ISO as I directed my subject how to pose and move, even with the low ocean sun causing huge brightness level fluctuations. And there's really no need to worry about ISO levels when working by the seashore on light sand...there's just not a lot of penalty at 400 ISO on FX Nikon as opposed to 100. As always, the key is understanding what the most-critical parameters are. And the goal is to get the best "pictures"...not to come home with the highest pure, technical image quality by always slavishly using baseline ISO. The pictures are much more-important to me than some idea that only the bottom two ISO values are any good.

This is actually a fairly new way to shoot photos. This is a HUGE advantage if you understand when it's a huge advantage. I've had scenarios over the last five years where, near the ocean, the LACK of AUTO ISO has ruined shots, and had entire days where the sun played peek-a-boo all day long, as it does here in most of late winter and springtime. AUTO ISO in Manual mode is a Godsend, now that I know how to use it, and have actually given it a fair shake.
 
Everything you mention is available in the D3 and it's 6-7 years old now. Auto ISO is great. Don't know why it's taken so long for some people to discover it.
 
If you're all running around in auto ISO in direct sunlight... well... errr.... ok, I guess?

I mean no offense to anyone, seriously. I'm just sort of baffled by the whole thread.

I was showing the extreme on purpose--of course the iso3200 f/29 image looks like trash at 100%.

But there are plenty of situations in direct sunlight in which I will use it. Just like my hawk example above, I had it turned on. Give it a base of 100, lock in your other settings: 1/1250sec to stop motion, f/6.3 stopped down one for sharpness, and then let the camera swing the ISO in order to get the correct exposure based on those settings. There's only 1 stop of give in the aperture if it becomes darkened out, and unless you're willing to accept a blurry bird image, the only thing else you can do is allow the ISO to change. If you're shooting in S mode and not M, then I believe the camera will first stop down the aperture, for any reason, before compromising the ISO.

I also used it shooting indoors, with flash, in a dimly lit room where depending on where I was shooting/bouncing flash might be under/over exposed. But I was already shooting at 1/60 and didn't want to drag the shutter, and also unwilling to compromise DOF so I stuck with f/4-5, and all I had left was ISO. I printed a few of these shots at 4x6" that were taken on ISO 2800 and ISO 4000. You'd be none-the-wiser. Maybe if I blew them up to poster size, sure, but whatever.

Sure, it's a compromise, but what else choice can you make: Deal with less than optimal image quality due to digital noise, but a nice, well exposed image or a less than optimal capture (blur/exposure/etc) but lacks any digital noise?

YES... cameras these days handle higher ISOs REALLY well, and YES you should absolutely use that tool when you need to... but like a lot of things... just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

okay, so then what's your point? it's a tool; use it wisely.
 
^ I already said it's probably because I don't shoot things that require this particular tool, and have- therefore- been educated.
 
aiight, bro!
 
I’m glad to see so many people sharing their positive experience with auto ISO. I remember shortly after joining this forum, I posted in a thread to recommend auto ISO to somebody for a specific situation (forget what it was), and was promptly berated. I figured “heh, guess auto ISO is not what the cool kids are using.”

But I’ve continued to use it anyway, and am now even more convinced of its efficacy. That Nikon system sounds sweet with all of its settings, but even the comparatively basic Canon system has been useful for me as a hobbyist just trying to get the best shots possible with budget gear.

As an aside, I’m not sure what it is about ISO that some people find so repugnant. Yes, it introduces noise, we all know this. Zooming into 150% on a 24” monitor may reveal some ugly noise, but OCD aside, how bad is it really, when the picture is viewed in a real-world way? How many more sharp non-motion-blurred keepers did you manage to grab in the process, not only due to the faster shutter speeds attained, but the reduced amount of time you spent spinning dials and chimping?

There’s a fine line between a reasoned desire to optimize image quality and an affliction of irrational ISO-phobia. Sometimes, I think we fail to see the picture, for the pixels are in the way.
 

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