Best Super Telephoto Lens around $2500

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  1. D-B-J

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    The 70-200 2.8 and teleconverter gives you the most versatility though. You can easily walk around with the 70-200, use it for portraits, etc.

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    Yes, for versatility as a general-purpose lens, undoubtedly a 70-200mm f/2.8 is probably my favorite single lens to carry. Buuuuuut, the link coastalconn provided above is much more specifically what the OP asked about: a lens to use for BIRDING. And the reviewer is, like coastal, kind of a bird-nut. Nikon 300mm f/4D AF-S Review

    The one thing the review points out is that the 300 f/4 AF-S + TC 14e has MUCH higher magnification at close range, which as he likens it to, would be like "500 millimeters" in length on the 80-400 AF-S lens, which apparently, LOSES a LOT of focal length at closer focusing distances. A lens that changes effective focal length as it is focused closer suffers from what is called "focus breathing", and that is something that the new 70-200 VR-II model Nikkor has a huuuuuuuge issue with: it loses a LOT of focal length as the focus is shifted closer and closer. I believe at minimum focus distance, the new 70-200 goes down to around 130mm in length, which substantially cuts the magnification. Apparently, according to the review, the 80-400 AF-S also loses a lot of focal length at close ranges, so, for smaller birds, at say 15,12,10,9 feet...that lens is not going to produce nearly as BIG an image as the 300 f/4 + TC 14e. Same with the 70-200 f/2.8...if it drops down to the 180 to 130mm focal lengths at say 10 feet and then to 130mm at 3.5 feet, it's NOT going to be that good a lens for smaller birds at close distances.
     
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    How is the Focusing on the 300mm f/4? Better than my 70-300? I find my 70-300 hunts a bit while im panning the camera and tracking the 'in flight' bird, it never really "Locks-on" and keeps searching changing focus when it already has focused while using AF-C Mode. Also, the 300 f/4 doesnt have VR. Will this matter? Im sure when im shooting flying birds it wont matter as the shutter speed will be higher. But when i shooting birds that are still is really reduce the iso and get shutter speeds from about 1/250 or 1/320. Since ill be shooting at 400+mm, VR Can help compensate camera shake, right?
     
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    I read Nasim's review and i didnt understand one bit. Ive underlined it in the image, can anyone explain it to me?









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    What about the Nikon 200-400 f4?

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    The 200-400 isnt in my price range.
     
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    I've looked into the 200-400mm and it seemed to have some mixed reviews. Thats why I suggested the 150-500mm Sigma and possible why others mentioned the new 150-600mm Sigma.
     
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    id also say the 300 F4 with a tc.

    i played with one a few weeks ago and i liked it.
     
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    maybe because it's a bunch of nonsense?

    He's first stating that the 300mm with the 1.4TC at 420mm is sharper at f/5.6 than the 80-400mm, but it's only just as sharp once either is stopped down.

    cool.

    But then he's suggesting that it's important to remember that the 300mm + 1.4TC equalling 420mm gives you a narrower field of view than the 500mm of the 80-400mm.

    uh?

    I *think* the 500mm was a typo, where he was saying you're comparing 400mm vs 420mm so it's not apple to apples -- that you have an extra 20mm of reach with the 300 + 1.4TC.

    but then he goes and says it again in his conclusion: Because of the lens breathing issue on the 80-400mm AF-S, the Nikon 300mm f/4D gives more reach with the TC-14E II attached, so 420mm on the 300mm f/4D is more like 500mm on the 80-400mm AF-S at short distances (this changes as the distance increases).

    I honestly have no idea what he's trying to say here.
     
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    Did you read my post?
     
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    What he was saying is that the 80-400mm VR suffers from serious focus breathing, and that zoom loses significant focal length as it is focused closer than Infinity. I stopped by the dPreview thread, and found more information. One poster said his calculations show the 80-400 VR at being 261mm in effective focal length at minimum focus distance; another said at intermediate ranges its around 300mm in effective focal length. The birder-centric website reviewing the lenses is more concerned about how a lens performs at closer ranges; for songbirds, for example, the idea is to get CLOSE to them, to make a BIG bird in the image.

    On a lens used at closer distances, one of the most important stats is maximum magnification ratio, which is I think 1:5.8 on the 80-400 VR, which is not all that good.

    Look into focus breathing; a good number of zoom lenses have it, and some to a very,very significant degree.
     

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