Canon 7D2 vs 1D4

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  1. GeorgianBayBoy

    GeorgianBayBoy TPF Noob!

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    Well, I've decided to upgrade from my trusty old Canon 7D camera and get something a little more modern. I shoot primarily birds and wildlife with a Sigma 150-600. I've pretty much got it down to the 7D mk2 or the 1D mk4. The 1D4 has lower noise at high ISO which will accomodate my F6.3 lens better in low light conditions like early dawn or dusk. I don't like the noise in my images with the 7D. The 7D2 has an amazing autofocus system, state of the art, but the 1D4 isn't bad either. The 7D2 new is the same price as the 1D4 used, and this is my price point.

    I have no hands on experience with either of these cameras. Is there anyone who's played with both that could share their experiences with me?

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    Darrell


     
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    DB_Cro No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Just one thing that's down to pixel pitch and such (really don't wanna get technical at 1:30AM),
    the 7D2 images will "take" the cropping better even if you had to crop the same amount, which you
    don't since 7D2 is 1.6x crop (compared to the 1.3x crop on 1D4).

    If you can fill the frame with your lenses on the 1D4 without cropping, I have no doubt that image will look better.
    If you have to crop out like 50% of the image on your current 7D, you'd probably want to stick with the 7D2.

    The ISO thing you seem to have figured out though.

    I'd get the 7D2.
     
  3. GeorgianBayBoy

    GeorgianBayBoy TPF Noob!

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    Thanks DB_cro, I often do crop my photos, hadn't thought about differences in pixel counts and size of pixels.
     
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    Yeah! That is a deal breaker for most and why most wildlife shooters don't do full frame.

    1D4 with it's 1.3x crop has an advantage on other FF stuff here but.. you'd need a 50mpix (or so) FF
    sensor to compete with that pixel pitch. Even if 7D2 and 1D4 had the same megapixel count (and 1D4
    is 4mpix short), the 7D2 would still have an advantage here.

    Nikon D7200 does very well here since that sensor should do better in low light then 7D2 and has 4mpix more,
    but that's not what us Canon guys want to hear. :p

    I really want to hear your opinion on the high ISO stuff if you do end up getting the 7D2, compared to the original 7D.
    I'm sure you've read all the reviews and seen all the YouTube vids (some of that stuff is seriously impressive).
     
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    That's a new one on me, all the wildlife shooters I know have 1Dx or D4
     
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    Most people just go out and buy the most expensive body but..

    Nothing wrong with those two if you can put a 600 or 800mm lens on them, they are, of course,
    better then a $2000 crop camera, BUT, if you need to use a shorter lens and crop, the results
    would be better from a crop sensor camera with a high mpix count. Google the 'pixel pitch' thing,
    there's good youtube vids on the subject too.

    So, again, since I know people will read this using a fraction
    of their brain.. no.. I'm not suggesting a 7D2 will produce
    better images then (any) FF camera.
     
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    gsgary Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    Have you not heard of stealth and patience 600mm is plenty but you can manage with 400mm
     
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    DB_Cro No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    I'm answering OP's question, not questioning his methods.
    Unsubscribing.
     
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    Well I've not played with either. But I have seen that you can expect a 25% better performance in noise reduction between the 7D and the mkII. While I've played with a 5D mkiii and a 1DX I think you'd be better off with the 1D4 as I recon there is less noise at high ISOs on the 1D4 which is much more of the limitation here.
     
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    I can't speak to the 1D4 but I am very happy with the ISO performance of the 7D2.... As well as many other features.
     
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    Don't worry about Gary, all he does is trolls threads to either talk about how much better film is than digital, argue for no reason, etc. The guy must have a really dismal life to spend all his time doing that
     
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