Canon or Nikon?

[Petraio Prime]

I just don't understand Nikon's thinking at all.

I don't understand why you're in this discussion. You've clearly stated.......

Note: For the record I own neither Canon nor Nikon. I own and use Leicaflex.

Well I can bring some objectivity and knowledge to the discussion, that's why.

 

[Idahophoto]

My thinking is that if you really want to do digital, get a full-frame model, and don't screw around with these crop cameras. If you can't afford it then get a film camera. If you can't afford this, well use your memories.

Personally I like cropped sensor cameras over full frame much of the time. I think both should be available. I would love a full frame camera and have been thinking of getting one when I can, but would not drop the cropped ones when I do for sports, nature and what not I love em! Though it sucks on the wide angle side of things. Again it depends on what you shoot. I want to hit fashion and fine art here full frames are the favored mainly for shallow depth of field compared to the cropped but hey, I make the 50D work and it does great. Overall I'm happy with the results I get and will put them up against any full frame shot any day. Sure, some of those might beat mine, but in the end, I think it will come down to skill and personal style preference over what camera I or someone else went with.

 

[Dao]

For me its:

Polaroid
RC Cola
Daihatsu
Atari

So there!

Daihatsu ... wow have not heard this name for a long time .. although the only one I know is Daihatsu Charade.

 

[Petraio Prime]

My thinking is that if you really want to do digital, get a full-frame model, and don't screw around with these crop cameras. If you can't afford it then get a film camera. If you can't afford this, well use your memories.

Personally I like cropped sensor cameras over full frame much of the time. I think both should be available. I would love a full frame camera and have been thinking of getting one when I can, but would not drop the cropped ones when I do for sports, nature and what not I love em! Though it sucks on the wide angle side of things. Again it depends on what you shoot. I want to hit fashion and fine art here full frames are the favored mainly for shallow depth of field compared to the cropped but hey, I make the 50D work and it does great. Overall I'm happy with the results I get and will put them up against any full frame shot any day. Sure, some of those might beat mine, but in the end, I think it will come down to skill and personal style preference over what camera I or someone else went with.

I don't see it, personally. It seems to be too much of a compromise.

 

[Dao]

Oh .... for the OP question. It is easy ...

Since
AB C DEFGHIJKLM N OPQRSTUVWXYZ


and

C is way ahead of N

therefore

Canon is better.

Case closed.

:er:

 

[Neil S.]

Bah, maybe I switch again and grab me a Pentax lol. At least then I could add something new to threads like this.

PETAX BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_____________________
Pentax K7, Pentax 50 F/1.4 Pentax 12-24 F/4, Pentax 100 F/2.8 Pentax 200 F/2.8

Ok, maybe not. But the idea is entertaining never the less and Pentax has some damn nice stuff to.

My thinking is that if you really want to do digital, get a full-frame model, and don't screw around with these crop cameras. If you can't afford it then get a film camera. If you can't afford this, well use your memories.

While I somewhat agree with you here, I think you need to give crop bodies a little more credit.

In some ways I wish that I had just bought a 5D mk II, instead of my 7D.

I was pretty invested in EF-S lenses though, and I would have also had to replace at least 1-2 lenses on the wide end.

This would have been many thousands of dollars more between the body and new lenses, and I just don't have it really.

My 7D has probably the best video of any DSLR on the market, and I am glad to have this.

My next body will definately be full frame, probably the 5d mk III whenever it finally comes out, as long as I can afford it.

The 7D is an excellent camera to transition from crop to full-frame in my opinion.

I can take shots with it that can rival at least some of the current full frame bodies.

Mostly it is lacking in the noise department vs. full-frame. That and resolution would be the major reasons for me to go full-frame.

It is also much lighter than the top end full frame bodies, which I like. :thumbup:

 

[Neil S.]

My thinking is that if you really want to do digital, get a full-frame model, and don't screw around with these crop cameras. If you can't afford it then get a film camera. If you can't afford this, well use your memories.

Personally I like cropped sensor cameras over full frame much of the time. I think both should be available. I would love a full frame camera and have been thinking of getting one when I can, but would not drop the cropped ones when I do for sports, nature and what not I love em! Though it sucks on the wide angle side of things. Again it depends on what you shoot. I want to hit fashion and fine art here full frames are the favored mainly for shallow depth of field compared to the cropped but hey, I make the 50D work and it does great. Overall I'm happy with the results I get and will put them up against any full frame shot any day. Sure, some of those might beat mine, but in the end, I think it will come down to skill and personal style preference over what camera I or someone else went with.

Oh you make a good point here.

The 7D is better than the 5D mk II for sports by a log shot.

 

[Dao]

Also, some people like to use the cropped body because...

The "extra" reach or relatively deeper Dof (esp macro work)

 

[Petraio Prime]

Bah, maybe I switch again and grab me a Pentax lol. At least then I could add something new to threads like this.

PETAX BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_____________________
Pentax K7, Pentax 50 F/1.4 Pentax 12-24 F/4, Pentax 100 F/2.8 Pentax 200 F/2.8

Ok, maybe not. But the idea is entertaining never the less and Pentax has some damn nice stuff to.

My thinking is that if you really want to do digital, get a full-frame model, and don't screw around with these crop cameras. If you can't afford it then get a film camera. If you can't afford this, well use your memories.

While I somewhat agree with you here, I think you need to give crop bodies a little more credit.

In some ways I wish that I had just bought a 5D mk II, instead of my 7D.

I was pretty invested in EF-S lenses though, and I would have also had to replace at least 1-2 lenses on the wide end.

This would have been many thousands of dollars more between the body and new lenses, and I just don't have it really.

My 7D has probably the best video of any DSLR on the market, and I am glad to have this.

My next body will definately be full frame, probably the 5d mk III whenever it finally comes out, as long as I can afford it.

The 7D is an excellent camera to transition from crop to full-frame in my opinion.

I can take shots with it that can rival at least some of the current full frame bodies.

Mostly it is lacking in the noise department vs. full-frame. That and resolution would be the major reasons for me to go full-frame.

It is also much lighter than the top end full frame bodies, which I like. :thumbup:

Well I use film and have a Leicaflex with 6 lenses from 28mm to 560mm. I won't be going digital anytime soon. I just have my film scanned and it looks good enough for friends.

 

[Neil S.]

Also, some people like to use the cropped body because...

The "extra" reach or relatively deeper Dof (esp macro work)

This is a very good point which I forgot to mention.

If I had unlimited money I would probably shoot with a Nikon D3x.

If this was the case, I would most likely also carry a D300s for the extra reach on my telephotos when needed.

Slapping on a crop body is far better than using a TC in my opinion. There is almost zero quality degradation, and you don't take the f-stop hit like you do with TCs.

Edit: In this specific case you would take a major resolution hit, I do realize that.

 

[Overread]

STOP!

Right sorry about that but we do need to stop - 7 pages and thus far I think the OP might possibly be totally lost within a sea of suggestions, irrelevant tech data, personal debates, dead horses and long technical lines that try to draw fine dividing lines between the two product lines.

The OP needs to input their own requirements and uses before all this nitpicking between the brands can really help them at all. And at 7 pages it will take anyone a while to read through - can we at least give them a chance (if they've not run 5 miles away from the thread already ) to read and respond

 

[Neil S.]

Well when you name the thread Canon or Nikon.......

 

[Dieselboy]

Oh .... for the OP question. It is easy ...

Since
AB C DEFGHIJKLM N OPQRSTUVWXYZ


and

C is way ahead of N

therefore

Canon is better.

Case closed.

:er:

Actually reading left to right, N has advanced farther than C.

 

[Derrel]

I'm still waiting for the dead horse thing....

Anyone?

Here you go,Neil. I hope this helps: beating a dead horse

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[Neil S.]

Damn I am at work again, and can't see it....

I will be able to when I go home though.

Hey man, check out my thread in the equipment section on whats the best Nikon/Canon lens.

I know you will have some good input for it. :thumbup: