Contrast: one for C&C

[kundalini]

Not sure what you aren't understanding, or why you're trying to argue with me.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Right well then I retract my statement.

Not the wix part though.
You don't see professional photographers going about their business on wix.

What constitutes being a pro, Kevin?

 

[KevinPutman]

I concur.

 

[KevinPutman]

Right well then I retract my statement.

Not the wix part though.
You don't see professional photographers going about their business on wix.

What constitutes being a pro, Kevin?

Not using wix,
hahahaha

I'm not qualified to answer that.
In my opinion, I say there's no such thing as being a "pro" at any type of art, but that's just me.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

What constitutes being a pro, Kevin?

Not using wix,
hahahaha

I'm not qualified to answer that.
In my opinion, I say there's no such thing as being a "pro" at any type of art, but that's just me.

If you are not qualified to answer that question, what are you going on about.

Why can there be no such thing as a professional artist?
I am a professional jeweler. I design and create jewelry. I derive 100% of my income from it. I am also in the top of my league doing so.

So, Kevin, define the word "professional", please.

 

[kundalini]

Not using wix,
hahahaha

I'm not qualified to answer that.
In my opinion, I say there's no such thing as being a "pro" at any type of art, but that's just me.

Nice moves.

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[camz]

Bitter and K....man you guys are very, very, very patient people!

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Wait...ok, I don't see comic sans.

 

[KevinPutman]

Why must this turn into an argument.


I'm "going on" about how a person who would be considered a "professional photographer" would not use a wix.com website.
You even said yourself wix just screams amateur.


As for your career, yeah, I won't argue that you're a professional in that. And that there are professionals in other jobs/careers/things as well.

As for what I said,
I don't believe there can be someone who is a professional in an artistic field. That's just my opinion, I don't believe in it firmly enough to argue my point, or anything like that. It's just something I feel.
No need to elaborate.

 

[KevinPutman]

Kudalini,
I raise you 3 breadrolls.

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

Why must this turn into an argument.

It's a debate. It's an opportunity to further educate your young mind.

I'm "going on" about how a person who would be considered a "professional photographer" would not use a wix.com website.
You even said yourself wix just screams amateur.

Ok, what makes someone an amateur, and what makes someone pro.

HINT

As for your career, yeah, I won't argue that you're a professional in that. And that there are professionals in other jobs/careers/things as well.

But I am an artist. Designing and creating jewelery is an art. Do I now need you to define art?
What makes those people in "other" jobs/careers/things professionals? WTF is things, anyway? Could things be the arts?

As for what I said,
I don't believe there can be someone who is a professional in an artistic field. That's just my opinion, I don't believe in it firmly enough to argue my point, or anything like that. It's just something I feel.
No need to elaborate.

But you just said that you wouldn't argue that I was a professional, but now you you say you don't believe someone in an artistic field, such as metalsmithing, can be a professional?
The lord giveth, and the lord taketh away!

There is need to eleborate. Your opinion should be based on some sort of evidence. An opinion based on nothing is called ignorance. I mean, we are not trying to prove gods existence here.

Now please, I beg you, define "professional"!

 

[Aye-non Oh-non Imus]

Why must this turn into an argument.

It doesn't seem to be much of an argument, more in the line of a ***** slap, don't you think? I suppose when you learn how to hunt, you can get on the front porch with the big dogs.

 

[KevinPutman]

I just feel that art is something that everyone interprets differently.
One person can look at a picture, and say "oh wow, that's terrible", while another can look at it and say "oh wow, that's amazing".
At least 50% of any type of art is based off opinions. Same as I stated above, one person can hate the work, while another can love it.


But when you have a professional, say, auto mechanic..someone that could take a car apart with their eyes closed, then put it back together with one hand tied behind their back..that's true professionalism.

Now if you wanted to talk about technical terms...say there's someone who knows EVERYTHING there is to know about painting. (Bob Ross for instance). Someone that can tell you every tiny detail, what you're doing wrong, what you should be doing..
but at the end of the day, it's still art. It's something that one person can look at and say "wow you suck, you're such an amatuer." While another can look and say "Wow I love it, you're amazing".
I just feel that something, whose appeal is mostly based off personal bias, isn't something you can be "professional" about.

As for your meatalsmithing, yeah, I'm sure most of that is based off personal bias as well.
I like that, I hate that, etc etc etc. But it takes more of a raw form of skill to complete. I doubt anyone could just pick up *insert complicated metalsmithing tool here* and go to work.
Where as anyone can pick up a paintbrush, or a camera, and make a pleasing form of art.


Yes, the definition of a professional is typically someone who makes a career, or profession, out of whatever it is they do. But that definition is so shallow. I could pick up a lawnmower, cut some grass, make some money and call it my profession. And be called a professional.
I just feel it should have a deeper meaning. Like, the "Super master overlord of metalsmithing".

I'm sure there are flaws in everything I just said, feel free to point it out.
As I said, that's all just my opinion, I don't really care for it enough to enforce. lol

 

[Bitter Jeweler]

I just feel that art is something that everyone interprets differently.
One person can look at a picture, and say "oh wow, that's terrible", while another can look at it and say "oh wow, that's amazing".
At least 50% of any type of art is based off opinions. Same as I stated above, one person can hate the work, while another can love it.

Yes. Art is a product, an object, a result of someones work.

But when you have a professional, say, auto mechanic..someone that could take a car apart with their eyes closed, then put it back together with one hand tied behind their back..that's true professionalism.

Ok, so this is someone who does something, quite well.

Now if you wanted to talk about technical terms...say there's someone who knows EVERYTHING there is to know about painting. (Bob Ross for instance).

Bob Ross is a joke.

Someone that can tell you every tiny detail, what you're doing wrong, what you should be doing..

Ok, this is someone who does "something".

but at the end of the day, it's still art

Art is the result of someones work.

It's something that one person can look at and say "wow you suck, you're such an amatuer." While another can look and say "Wow I love it, you're amazing".
I just feel that something, whose appeal is mostly based off personal bias, isn't something you can be "professional" about.

This is people judging things, from their own perspective.

As for your meatalsmithing, yeah, I'm sure most of that is based off personal bias as well.

The personal bias of whether or not someone likes the result of my work?

I like that, I hate that, etc etc etc. But it takes more of a raw form of skill to complete. I doubt anyone could just pick up *insert complicated metalsmithing tool here* and go to work.
Where as anyone can pick up a paintbrush, or a camera, and make a pleasing form of art.

I use files, saws, pliers, some "dremel-like" rotary tools, and a torch. All of these are easily accessible, and I am sure you have even used some form of them before.
A paintbrush is a tool, and a camera is a tool. So you are saying just anyone can pick up one of these tools and make beautiful things happen with ease. Like, hmmm, you, for example?

Yes, the definition of a professional is typically someone who makes a career, or profession, out of whatever it is they do. But that definition is so shallow. I could pick up a lawnmower, cut some grass, make some money and call it my profession. And be called a professional.

You could! You might even be the best grass cutter in town!

I just feel it should have a deeper meaning. Like, the "Super master overlord of metalsmithing".

So, if I am (and I really am) the "Super-Master-Overlord(i has minions) of Metalsmithing", THAT is what makes me a professional? A professional a r t i s t?

I'm sure there are flaws in everything I just said, feel free to point it out.

Only because you allowed it.

As I said, that's all just my opinion, I don't really care for it enough to enforce. lol

Way to stand by your guns there.

The term "professional" is typically defined in either of two ways or a combination.

a) someone who is the best at "something" (even art, or lawn mowing)
and
b) someone who gets paid to do something (even art, or mowing)


So, if someone was really good at what they do, AND made 100% of there living from it, but had a wix.com website, are they a professional? Or are they just fricken' cheap?

 

[SabrinaO]

Contrast looks good to me, its a great shot. Only thing that bugs me is the handle we can see on this side of baby. I would have tried for no hardware or both for symmetry.

I like the handle... I think it adds interest but u can see why some will take it as distracting