Dana A. - Hip hop artist, Country Star or High School Senior?

[The_Traveler]

I like 3 and 6 if only because they don't put some much emphasis on just how well her female hormones have worked.

I agree with Lew. Some of these are close to crossing the slutty line.

Yes, let me just give her a breast reduction, and straighten out her curves a little bit, lest someone have some dirty thoughts about her. While I'm at it, I'll put her in a Disney Princess sweatshirt and light up Sketchers sneakers and have the hair/makeup artist put her hair into cute little pigtails.

But yes, she's got a killer body that most women would kill for... I will certainly agree with you there.

I liked the one's I liked because the picture was of a beautiful young woman whose personality showed on her face.
The others mostly showcased her boobs.

Instead of making Runnah and my honest responses into a criticism of us, why not just listen to what we said.
What we thought was that her boobs weren't as important to her image as the pictures seemed to show.
You don't have to agree but at least be civil to us for giving our honest response.

 

[snerd]

I don't think there are too many poses that woud NOT showcase her bewbs. Why would you purposely want to make that distinction, anyway! Why are her assets rubbing you the wrong way?! (Oh my!) She's obviously comfortable with them, and chooses to dress and pose in a manner to accentuate them. I don't know, I think she is a beautiful girl that will be very happy with these photos. She probably never thought twice about "them".

As the girl in the sauna on Seinfeld said............... "They're real, and they're spectacular!!" LOL!!

 

[e.rose]

I like 3 and 6 if only because they don't put some much emphasis on just how well her female hormones have worked.

I agree with Lew. Some of these are close to crossing the slutty line.

Yes, let me just give her a breast reduction, and straighten out her curves a little bit, lest someone have some dirty thoughts about her. While I'm at it, I'll put her in a Disney Princess sweatshirt and light up Sketchers sneakers and have the hair/makeup artist put her hair into cute little pigtails.

But yes, she's got a killer body that most women would kill for... I will certainly agree with you there.

I liked the one's I liked because the picture was of a beautiful young woman whose personality showed on her face.
The others mostly showcased her boobs.

Instead of making Runnah and my honest responses into a criticism of us, why not just listen to what we said.
What we thought was that her boobs weren't as important to her image as the pictures seemed to show.
You don't have to agree but at least be civil to us for giving our honest response.

I heard what you said. The girl has a full figure. I'm not sure exactly what you expect me to do about that.

Maybe rather than the both of you commenting either implicitly, the way you did, or directly the way Runnah did, that she looks "slutty" you could offer helpful advice as to what you would have done differently to hide the womanly shape she possesses. You both seem to think it's an issue... but neither of you indicated what could have been done differently.

As far as I'm concerned, that's her shape. That's who she is. I'm not going to try and hide the fact that she is a female who has breasts and a killer hour-glass shaped body. I posed her the same way I would have posed any of my girls, it just so happens that she is a bit fuller in certain areas than any of the girls I've worked with previously.

We may just need to agree to disagree, but I would genuinely like to know what you feel should have been done differently, if you in fact have any suggestions.

 

[rexbobcat]

Yeah, with a *ahem* body like hers, I'm not sure you could take a photo without someone saying that you're trying to play up her sexuality. I'm not a huge fan of the hand-in-the-crotch on some of these, but they're far from being slutty.

It's just the price of being blessed with good genes (I would know).

 

[The_Traveler]

My point is that, instead of listening to me and Runnah said and using or discarding our opinion, you started criticizing what we thought.
It is very clear what you could do because you actually did it in pictures 3,4 & 5.

We expressed our opinion of some of the pictures and you responded in a way that attacked us.
You don't deal with any kind of criticism well, no matter how pleasantly said and life is too short to coddle yet one other person.

 

[e.rose]

My point is that, instead of listening to me and Runnah said and using or discarding our opinion, you started criticizing what we thought.
It is very clear what you could do because you actually did it in pictures 3,4 & 5.

We expressed our opinion of some of the pictures and you responded in a way that attacked us.
You don't deal with any kind of criticism well, no matter how pleasantly said and life is too short to coddle yet one other person.

I must really be away from this forum too long, because you're clearly confusing my usually snarky comments with actual attacks. But I digress...

I clearly don't know what I could do, since the only images you deem acceptable are 3, 4, and 5. And from looking at those images, it seems that the only position you feel is appropriate for her is straight on and smiley. That would make for a really boring album layout if all of her images were shot straight on with a sh*t-eating grin on her face, haha.

And I would ABSOLUTELY disagree with you that I don't deal with criticism well. My entire photographic career has been dealing with criticism, ESPECIALLY from this forum. I have even attributed the critique I've gotten from here in the past as a major part of why I have been able to make the strides I have in a short period of time. It's the reason I continue to *post* for critique.

I have had MANY, many, many, many images disliked by members here, and great discussion have stemmed from them.

What I'm calling y'all out on right now is not leaving me anything valuable to work with. Don't tell me that it's "very clear" what I could do. Tell me specifically what I could do. Maybe those 3 images were an accident? How would you know if that was an intentional thought process or not?

If you find fault with an image, or the majority of images, it's way more helpful to state what you would have done differently, than just leave an implication that the subject looks slutty, or leave with an assumption that I "should know".

I'm very open to suggestion a lot of the time, but you left me no suggestion in any of your previous comments.

So again, I state... if you would like to tell me specifically what you would have *liked* to see... I would appreciate it, and will certainly take those comments into consideration.

 

[Derrel]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

 

[runnah]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

Please Derrel, your act is getting to be a bit old.

My opinion is that some were much more suggestive and "adult" than would be fitting for a yearbook or to show to grandma.

 

[e.rose]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

Please Derrel, your act is getting to be a bit old.

My opinion is that some were much more suggestive and "adult" than would be fitting for a yearbook or to show to grandma.

Well not all of them are going in the yearbook or being shown to grandma.

I make it a point to emphasis that I'm not doing "ordinary, boring, yearbook style" senior portraits with my clients.

 

[Derrel]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

Please Derrel, your act is getting to be a bit old.

My opinion is that some were much more suggestive and "adult" than would be fitting for a yearbook or to show to grandma.

It's not an act. You said some of these pictures of a teenage girl were, "Some of these are close to crossing the slutty line." I am saying that's entirely inappropriate for you to say. You used the word "slutty". That's called "slut-shaming". Own up to it when called on it, runnah. Act like a man. Do not attack me for calling you on your inappropriate on-line moralizing behavior. Step into the 21st century, and can the slut-shaming comments on teen girl photo sets.

 

[photoguy99]

This young adult woman paid for photographs that would make her look hot by her own standards for that. It appears that she got them.

I don't think much of her judgment, but I don't think much of most people's judgment. Plus I cannot conceive of a world in which she would give a damn about my opinion.

 

[runnah]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

Please Derrel, your act is getting to be a bit old.

My opinion is that some were much more suggestive and "adult" than would be fitting for a yearbook or to show to grandma.

It's not an act. You said some of these pictures of a teenage girl were "borderline slutty." I am saying that's entirely inappropriate for you to say. You used the word "slutty". That's called "slut-pshaming". Own up to it when called on it. Act like a man.

Own up to what? Stating my opinion on something?

And a teenage girl? That there is legally an adult. She can do porn, shoot bad guys in war and gamble. She certainly doesn't need some stranger on the web defending her

 

[e.rose]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

Please Derrel, your act is getting to be a bit old.

My opinion is that some were much more suggestive and "adult" than would be fitting for a yearbook or to show to grandma.

It's not an act. You said some of these pictures of a teenage girl were "borderline slutty." I am saying that's entirely inappropriate for you to say. You used the word "slutty". That's called "slut-pshaming". Own up to it when called on it. Act like a man.

Own up to what? Stating my opinion on something?

And a teenage girl? That there is legally an adult. She can do porn, shoot bad guys in war and gamble. She certainly doesn't need some stranger on the web defending her

ACTUALLY... She's not.

She's only 17.

 

[Derrel]

Own up to being called out for your moralizing behavior. Still trying to obfuscate and hide, are you?

 

[runnah]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

Please Derrel, your act is getting to be a bit old.

My opinion is that some were much more suggestive and "adult" than would be fitting for a yearbook or to show to grandma.

Well not all of them are going in the yearbook or being shown to grandma.

I make it a point to emphasis that I'm not doing "ordinary, boring, yearbook style" senior portraits with my clients.

Well I hope I wasn't being to hard on you. I guess if you had said this was a model shoot then by all means go hog wild. But since it was a senior shoot I guess I was a little surprised with how "sexy" some of the poses were,