Dana A. - Hip hop artist, Country Star or High School Senior?

[runnah]

Own up to being called out for your moralizing behavior. Still trying to obfuscate and hide, are you?

Get off your high horse. What are you trying to hide with all this righteous indignation?

I have nothing to hide nor will I mince words. I don't care if I offend you or your supposed moral high ground. If you don't want to hear my voice than by all means leave or ignore me.

 

[e.rose]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

Please Derrel, your act is getting to be a bit old.

My opinion is that some were much more suggestive and "adult" than would be fitting for a yearbook or to show to grandma.

Well not all of them are going in the yearbook or being shown to grandma.

I make it a point to emphasis that I'm not doing "ordinary, boring, yearbook style" senior portraits with my clients.

Well I hope I wasn't being to hard on you. I guess if you had said this was a model shoot then by all means go hog wild. But since it was a senior shoot I guess I was a little surprised with how "sexy" some of the poses were,

No hard feelings.

That's exactly my point though... I think these just *seem* "too sexy" because of the way she is built... I have done these exact poses with most of my previous girls and they were always perceived well... but they also weren't built like this girl. Which is why I keep asking, and keep not getting an answer to... what would y'all have done differently to make them "less sexy" if you feel they are overly sexy?

 

[runnah]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

Please Derrel, your act is getting to be a bit old.

My opinion is that some were much more suggestive and "adult" than would be fitting for a yearbook or to show to grandma.

Well not all of them are going in the yearbook or being shown to grandma.

I make it a point to emphasis that I'm not doing "ordinary, boring, yearbook style" senior portraits with my clients.

Well I hope I wasn't being to hard on you. I guess if you had said this was a model shoot then by all means go hog wild. But since it was a senior shoot I guess I was a little surprised with how "sexy" some of the poses were,

No hard feelings.

That's exactly my point though... I think these just *seem* "too sexy" because of the way she is built... I have done these exact poses with most of my previous girls and they were always perceived well... but they also weren't built like this girl. Which is why I keep asking, and keep not getting an answer to... what would y'all have done differently to make them "less sexy" if you feel they are overly sexy?

That's a good question and something that since I am not the expert you are I cannot answer.

I would guess maybe a less form fitting top and less "open" poses.

 

[Derrel]

We have had two men in this thread, making inappropriate remarks about a 17 year-old girl's senior photos. When that is brought up, it's "moral indignation" according to runnah. WTF???

Seems like we have a couple members here who think it's appropriate to bring a minor girl's sexuality, her body type, and the word "slutty" into the discussion, and then attack anybody who would note their inappropriate comments...

I commented on the photos. They are well-done. The photos e.rose posted are in no way at all NSFW, but instead show a glamorous, idealized portrait subject, with good poses in great locations, with nice lighting, and excellent color and processing. A really NICE set of images!

Comments on a teen-aged client's breast size, and her poses being referred to as "slutty" is....that is entirely inappropriate commentary in a public photo forum. Repeated defense of such comments with attacks on me is also inappropriate. Seriously, inappropriate.

 

[runnah]

Really? Don't you think you are blowing things slightly out of proportion?

Some poses are not befitting of a 17 year old, end of story. If you want to read into it I think that says more about you than I.

 

[tirediron]

Okay... we've got some differing opinions on what is "appropriate" for a person of this age. That's ALL they are: opinions! So, how 'bout we keep them to ourselves and if there's nothing else to add about the images, we say nothing?

Thanks!

 

[photoguy99]

Since the title poses the question, I don't think she looks the slightest bit like a country star, a hip-hop artist, or a high school senior.

 

[DanOstergren28 3]

My point is that, instead of listening to me and Runnah said and using or discarding our opinion, you started criticizing what we thought.
It is very clear what you could do because you actually did it in pictures 3,4 & 5.

We expressed our opinion of some of the pictures and you responded in a way that attacked us.
You don't deal with any kind of criticism well, no matter how pleasantly said and life is too short to coddle yet one other person.

She responds to my criticism just fine, and if I'm to be honest she is one of the few here who actually inspire me to give her feedback because I know she takes the good feedback and uses it. Saying you don't like the the shots because you think the curves are too much to handle is fine, but don't act all surprised and butt hurt when someone doesn't like your feedback and they have something to say about it. Others are just as entitled to defend their work as much as you are to leave your opinion.

 

[e.rose]

My point is that, instead of listening to me and Runnah said and using or discarding our opinion, you started criticizing what we thought.
It is very clear what you could do because you actually did it in pictures 3,4 & 5.

We expressed our opinion of some of the pictures and you responded in a way that attacked us.
You don't deal with any kind of criticism well, no matter how pleasantly said and life is too short to coddle yet one other person.

She responds to my criticism just fine, and if I'm to be honest she is one of the few here who actually inspire me to give her feedback because I know she takes the good feedback and uses it. Saying you don't like the the shots because you think the curves are too much to handle is fine, but don't act all surprised and butt hurt when someone doesn't like your feedback and they have something to say about it. Others are just as entitled to defend their work as much as you are to leave your opinion.

Thanks Dan! And you *know* your critique is always appreciated!

 

[DanOstergren28 3]

My point is that, instead of listening to me and Runnah said and using or discarding our opinion, you started criticizing what we thought.
It is very clear what you could do because you actually did it in pictures 3,4 & 5.

We expressed our opinion of some of the pictures and you responded in a way that attacked us.
You don't deal with any kind of criticism well, no matter how pleasantly said and life is too short to coddle yet one other person.

She responds to my criticism just fine, and if I'm to be honest she is one of the few here who actually inspire me to give her feedback because I know she takes the good feedback and uses it. Saying you don't like the the shots because you think the curves are too much to handle is fine, but don't act all surprised and butt hurt when someone doesn't like your feedback and they have something to say about it. Others are just as entitled to defend their work as much as you are to leave your opinion.

Thanks Dan! And you *know* your critique is always appreciated!

Trust, there isn't a lot to critique on your work.

I've eaten at least an entire humble pie in the process of staying on this forum and learning how to receive critique, but it makes no sense to me how we can't share our opinion on a critique that we think is done in poor taste or that we disagree with without being made out to look like some ungrateful ingrate who has to be coddled.

 

[Granddad]

Great shots (15 takes the prize), beautiful girl. No advice from me on how to make them better.
Hope her dad has a shotgun, a shovel and 40 acres.

 

[BillM]

Great shots Rose, the lighting in 10 through14 is just fantastic


But you did chop off a toe in #6

 

[LCLimages]

Well, I think they're lovely. Nicely done.

I'll offer my female point of view. All I have to say is, oh my how senior pictures have changed over the years. And it's not just yours, E. Rose, it's everywhere. It's in the whole culture of the current teenage generation. Girls develop faster, grow up faster, dress sexier and less modestly. Even Disney stars are all made up with perfectly curled hair and sexualized now. The steady stream of senior portraits I see these days look more like glamour or model shots. I distinctly remember a senior I did 3 years ago, and the tiny tiny mini skirt and 4" stilettos she brought to the shoot. I almost fell over. But, that's the "trend" now.

I'm well endowed (keep your dirty thoughts to yourselves, boys ) but in my teenagehood, that's the LAST thing I wanted to show off. I did my best to downplay my assets. My friends and I possessed a modesty that rarely exists today. My senior portraits were the traditional girl-in-a-studio, in a boring shirt and jeans and boots. That's how everyone's were then. Maybe a basketball or whatever activity we were involved in during school was featured. We were not exposed to the types of fashion and trends that are rampant today.

At first glance, I will admit I thought they were a bit sexy. Had these been my pictures, my parents would have lost it. If I was this young lady's father, I'd be wanting to put a parka on her and hide her in the garage. BUT, they're not NSFW by any means. It's just another example of how the "times have changed." I sound like an old fart. But the entire mentality, fashion, attitude, everything - of teenagers has changed rapidly and drastically. This is acceptable/desired today, when it wouldn't have been even one generation ago. I'm not an overly conservative person... but 17 year olds are just kids. Not Disney Princess, ribbons in their hair kids, but in the grand scale, they are just kids.

 

[bribrius]

I agree with Lew. Some of these are close to crossing the slutty line.

you say that like it is a bad thing.

 

[bribrius]

The "slut-shaming" comment made earlier was utterly and totally out of line. And yet we have a member coming here to defend that kind of patriarchal, neanderthal thinking. Pathetic. We have an older man, and a much younger man, both making comments about this high school girl's body parts, her "hormones", and her sexuality. Disgraceful, on all counts.

Maybe save this kind of crap for your own grandkids, and future kids? Or better yet, move into the 21st century, and leave words like "slutty" out of your C&C's of high school girls' senior sets...

Please Derrel, your act is getting to be a bit old.

My opinion is that some were much more suggestive and "adult" than would be fitting for a yearbook or to show to grandma.

Well not all of them are going in the yearbook or being shown to grandma.

I make it a point to emphasis that I'm not doing "ordinary, boring, yearbook style" senior portraits with my clients.

Well I hope I wasn't being to hard on you. I guess if you had said this was a model shoot then by all means go hog wild. But since it was a senior shoot I guess I was a little surprised with how "sexy" some of the poses were,

No hard feelings.

That's exactly my point though... I think these just *seem* "too sexy" because of the way she is built... I have done these exact poses with most of my previous girls and they were always perceived well... but they also weren't built like this girl. Which is why I keep asking, and keep not getting an answer to... what would y'all have done differently to make them "less sexy" if you feel they are overly sexy?

part of it might be the dress. Part of it the way she is built. Neither would I be ashamed of. As the photographer I think you did your job here. If she asked for more conservative looking photos then I am sure you would have attempted that. The rest is between you, her, and her parents who I assume will be seeing these? Kids do dress different now, and I don't know if it is what is in the food for growth hormones or what but the girls seem to catching the period flu at age ten and reach woman figures at age fifteen. gotta be what is in the food! But subjectively, if I were her father I wouldn't go for these. Objectively, as the photographer you did your job they came out well..