Denoise comparison between LR and Topaz Denoise AI

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  1. Braineack

    Braineack Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    I've never been quite happy with LR's denoise algorithm, and I never really liked any of the PS solutions, which required a lot of masking to prevent the loss of details, leaving you with a noisey subject and smoothed background.

    So I acquired Topaz Denoise AI to try it out.

    Here's a recent shot of mine and one of my worst offenders. ISO5600 on a D800 shot at f/1.6 with only lights from the sparklers to light the subjects.

    Full Shot - LR without denoise. (just realized the cropped out the bottom portion of the frame, whoops)

    Lightroom Full Size - No NR.jpg

    Full Shot - LR with 30% denoise. This is how I exported and delivered it.

    Lightroom Full Size - 30 NR.jpg

    Full Shot - LR with 98% denoise. This is the least amount of DR to get the noise almost smoothed away.

    Lightroom Full Size - 98 NR.jpg

    Full Shot - Topaz Denoise AI. Look at the difference in fine details between this and above, look at how much better the noise is removed as well.

    Topaz AI Full Size - NR.jpg



    1:1 - LR without denoise.

    Lightroom 1to1 - No NR.jpg

    1:1 - LR with 30% denoise.

    Lightroom 1to1 - 30 NR.jpg

    1:1 - LR with 98% denoise.

    Lightroom 1to1 - 98 NR.jpg

    1:1 - Topaz Denoise AI.

    Topaz AI 1to1 - NR.jpg




    Pretty damn impressive. It did do weird things to the texture of the suit, and this was a pretty extreme example, and all I did was push the auto button. I have a few old shots I wanted to simply remove the noise pattern in shots, so I'm going to try to run them through and see how it looks.


     
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  2. tirediron

    tirediron Watch the Birdy! Staff Member Supporting Member

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    Nice write-up; thanks for posting!
     
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    Nice posting Brian. I too have never been satisfied with LR algorithms. Seems the more noise removed the smoother the image. I've always heard Topaz had good software (algorithms). I only have one simple question - Is the latest version of Topaz AI user freindly or, in other words, is there a small learning curve or is it a hassle to get started with from scratch?
     
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    Braineack Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    There's three sliders. That's it
     
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    CherylL TPF Supporters Supporting Member

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    I use Define in the Nik Collection. Wonder if Topaz is better? Nik does make things soft.
     
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    I don't know if the noise reduction capability of Lr has declined or if I'm more critical, but had also thought about trying Topaz since they added AI. Looks like they may be onto something. In the last shot it appears they might not handle color noise quite as well (under man's chin).
     
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    Nice prog, what is the price on this ..ok I know it will be approx because of the dollar to gbp
     
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    adamhiram No longer a newbie, moving up!

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    Thanks for sharing! I generally prefer the high ISO noise to the resulting loss of detail, and skip the NR sliders in LR unless I am using them in conjunction with the sharpening tool. This looks very promising.
     
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    You are now Brian. Topaz does an excellent job.
     
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  10. Braineack

    Braineack Been spending a lot of time on here!

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    This is an image I always wanted to fix: bird PS.jpg


    as you can see, i masked the bird, feathered and then blurred the BG in PS. This was a technique i found on FM from a very accomplished bird photographer who shot Canon.


    when i use LR to smooth noise, it completely trashes the images:
    bird LR.jpg

    you lose all detail, and i had the detail slider up to 100, and denoise to 50%.



    now look at Topaz:

    bird split.jpg

    not only did it completely eliminate all noise, it actually increased the fine detail on the bird itself. again, i pressed auto and let it do its thing. really happy with this result.
     
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    I been using DeNoise 6 over a year now, its fantastic.It has 6 slider adjustments 12 presets that can be tweaked with the sliders. Another excellent one is Noiseware By Imagenomic.
     
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    I have 1.3.3 I only have 3 sliders...

    Remove noise, enhance sharpness, and recover detail.

    upload_2020-1-4_17-9-34.png

    If I read correctly, AI Clear is an older algorithm:

    upload_2020-1-4_17-10-6.png
     

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