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Do you manual all the time?

Is manual the "cool" thing? I didn't realize. Personally I bracket just about everything on aperture priority. I only use manual when I am in a situation where the light is guaranteed to be consistent...and I'm absolutely positive I have the correct exposure.

If I understand this right, you get three images of everything by doing this, correct? Do you combine them for HDR? Please explain, as I am trying to understand for possible use myself.
 
If I understand this right, you get three images of everything by doing this, correct? Do you combine them for HDR? Please explain, as I am trying to understand for possible use myself.


Bracketing exposures is an age-old practice, especially when the lighting is tricky.
 
togalive said:
Manual all the time. Not because I think its "cool" but because I find it better suits my shooting style.

Is manual the "cool" thing? I didn't realize. Personally I bracket just about everything on aperture priority. I only use manual when I am in a situation where the light is guaranteed to be consistent...and I'm absolutely positive I have the correct exposure.

If manual is the cool thing I must be doing it wrong. I'm not "cool" at all!

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Maybe it depends on some background, too. I don't look at a scene and immediately turn to the light source, for me exposure isn't about what's available, but what's reflecting back at me, and what's reflecting back at me will determine how I expose. Now I know that cameras built-in meters have all these nutty multi-point evaluative modes, but I find that typically these modes under expose - not in a way that makes the image look bad, but in a way that under-utilizes the cameras dynamic range.

For me, I come from a traditional black and white film background. I prefer color, but expose for the shadows process for the hilights is engrained in me. In black and white film, this means you spot meter the shadows, decide how many zones below middle grey you want it to be and then meter the hilights to determine how long you develop the film according to your little charts you've made with a densitometer (in practice you just generic chart from ilford and say "meh, close enough").

So really, with the zone system, what the SUN is doing doesn't really matter. With slide film, I did the same, only I exposed for the hilights and let the shadows fall into place because I knew I wouldn't get any shadow detail and there wasn't much I could do about that anyway.

I spent a lot of hours trying to figure out what the best way was to meter in digital. Nobody seems to really know. I asked past professors and they never had a real good answer. It seems that people just kind of ignore the fact that nobody really has a consensus of how to meter in digital, and so they use the built-in evaluative meter and say "meh, good enough".

But this meter mode is not intended to give the best results, but rather the best LOOKING results. Sure, it's great if you're doing something at high speed in changing light - but evaluative meter modes make decisions about the scene on your behalf, and in every case except that which I mentioned you will end up with a sort of "middle of the road" result made up of the camera's engineers' compromises, not your own.

After many hours trying to figure out this problem of how to best meter for digital, that because "density" in digital is applied directly from the shadows without reversal, I found that you can go infinitely deep into the shadows and just make them brighter and ever brighter. So what I do is expose for the hilights and process for the shadows. To do this I spot meter the hilights, increase exposure to just below where they'd start to clip and then pull the shadows (if necessary - and it nearly always is) in post. I could meter the shadows and apply the processing in a specific way and I do have a method for this, but it's cumbersome.

So what I'm saying here though is that what the source light is doing doesn't play a roll in the way I shoot. I look for the brightest point in the scene where I want to preserve detail and meter it, regardless if this is right outside the frame from a similarly lit subject. For example, if I have a wide shot that includes the sky, I might meter off the white puffy cloud then if I look downward and see a cool shape in the ground, I might meter off the sidewalk. In both of these cases, I'll increase exposure to +2.6, about a stop below my absolute ceiling, and expose. But because the Cloud is significantly brighter than the sidewalk, if I used the cloud's reference the sidewalk would be under exposed. If I used the sidewalk's reference the cloud would be significantly over exposed. I could use middle grey for everything, but if I did that the lightest point in the scene would be accurate to the scene, but not to the photograph.

Photography isn't about what light is available, it's about what light is reflected back. While the two are of course related, you can't have reflected light without a source, this idea removes the fact that what "white" is doesn't so much depend on the source light, but rather on the context of the scene.
 
If I'm not shooting in manual, then I'm most likely using my cell phone.


But seriously, it doesn't matter how you achieve your final image as long as it works for YOU consistently.
 
Manual: any time I'm using flash, whether hot shoe or OCF.

Shutter priority: if I'm shooting a moving target and I need to ensure I can stop motion. If I'm using this mode, it's almost always 1/500th or faster.

Aperture priority: probably 70% of the time.

Anyone who claims to always use manual either wants you to think they're a big deal or they don't understand the benefits of the other modes. Or they're just a control freak and don't mind missing shots due to motion blur or exposure issues.
 
jamesbjenkins said:
Manual: any time I'm using flash, whether hot shoe or OCF.

Shutter priority: if I'm shooting a moving target and I need to ensure I can stop motion. If I'm using this mode, it's almost always 1/500th or faster.

Aperture priority: probably 70% of the time.

Anyone who claims to always use manual either wants you to think they're a big deal or they don't understand the benefits of the other modes. Or they're just a control freak and don't mind missing shots due to motion blur or exposure issues.

Or just enjoy it more. This is just a hobby to many of us anyways.
 
I'm a control freak, and manual is the only mode for me ;-)
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I'm even more of a control freak than you. I shoot in P (program) mode to get even finer precision and more efficient control of the camera -- cuttin' it right to the bone for maximum creative control.

Joe
 
I love how there is this stereotype about manual shooters are so arrogant, yet in this thread you have comments like this^^ and Jenkins blanket statements.

I can pretty much guarantee that manual is more flexible than any AE mode, including program. It might not be faster, but it is more flexible. You can't adjust exposure arbitrarily, EC is performed according to the parameters of the mode. This is by definition what auto-mode is - though as it apears you can manually "break" the sony/minolta program, adjusting both time and aperture independently, just as you can essentially enter program mode by using AEL in manual, linking them together.

But seriously. How hard do you auto enthusiasts think it is to line up the little triangle with the EV over/under? It's really not that hard and as greybeard points out, this is the exact same thing as auto mode.
 
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It doesn't matter if you want to overexpose, underexpose, or want standard exposure...we are all slaves to the lighting. We can't just do whatever we want. We must work with the light...even if we bright our own. And from that view, being able to spin dials to any number you want doesn't really get you much. There must always be coordination between the settings, and it will be driven by the light.

When I say arbitrary, I mean you can increase shutter and aperture in any portion to get to whatever exposure value that you need.

It seems like your approach to exposure is a means to an end, and not an integral part of photography.

And yes. I know that EC doesn't change the exposure, but rather the meter. If I press the EC button in manual, nothing changes except what "0" means.
 
Yeah...that's what it sounded like you were saying. I still don't understand what that gets you if (from my point of view, of course) the ability to set any EV doesn't get you anything. +/-5 EC from standard exposure gives you a 10 EV range on a meter that covers 18 EV. I've done -5 EV, to turn white into dark gray...but never needed to go +/- 6 EV. But maybe you do...I have no idea what you're photographing. Have you ever taken exposures that were more than 5 EV from the indicated exposure?

I still am not sure you really get what I mean. With manual mode, I can get to +1EV in any way. +1EV in time, +1EV in aperture, +1/3 in time and +2/3 in aperture, -3 in time and +4 in aperture, +8 in time and -7 in aperture, +1 ISO, +2 time and -2 aperture. It doesn't need to be a large translation, I can adjust any exposure using any parameter, or any combination of parameters simultaneously.

And yes, it this is useful to work that way. Take the last example involving ISO. Let's say I need one stop more exposure, I'm already at ISO 800, and I don't want to go much higher than ISO 1600, but I also need more DOF. I can't go much below 1/30, and I'm already at 1/120. How would you get from f:5.6 to f:11, while still increasing exposure by 1EV and not going below 1/30 sec in auto mode?

So you use auto ISO. But now everything looks good, except that it's cold and you drank too much coffee, suddenly 1/30 is a bit slower than you remember it being, so reluctantly you have to increase the sensitivity than you were first cormfortable. You like the DOF at f:11, so how do you get to 1/50 f:11 and ISO 2500?

Manual allows you to set anything independent of everything else. That's it's strong point. Yes, it's a little slower, but it is more flexible.

I have no idea what that means. Can you explain it?

Do you see exposure as a sort of inconvenience, something you'd rather not have to think about? Is exposure something which has only one "correct" outcome? Or do you see exposure as something integral to the scene, the photograph and how the scene is recorded, presented and edited?

And yes. I know that EC doesn't change the exposure, but rather the meter. If I press the EC button in manual, nothing changes except what "0" means.
Then why did you say that EC is performed according to the parameters of the mode if you knew that its only effect is upon the meter?

Because this is, for all intensive purposes, the result of EC in auto mode, as EV is directly coupled to the variable parameter.
 
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Ysarex said:
I'm even more of a control freak than you. I shoot in P (program) mode to get even finer precision and more efficient control of the camera -- cuttin' it right to the bone for maximum creative control.

Joe

I can't tell if this is tongue-in-cheek or you're being serious.

ETA: read thread in its entirety and respect your reasoning.
 
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In a studio setting, I'm 100% manual. I am incorporating A priority a little more when outside. For me, I approach an image with what aperture I'm using and adjust my settings with that in mind. The one thing I consider when in A is shutter speed. I want to be able to shoot with various apertures and not worry about my shutter speed. If I'm going to be shooting in A then the first thing I'll do is set to manual, determine smallest aperture and meter for that with appropriate ISO for the minimum shutter speed. Then I'll go to A and shoot. This way I don't have to worry about slow shutter speeds (unless I need a slow shutter). My camera handles high ISO like a champ so I don't worry if I'm up past 1600. There are a multitude of ways to skin the cat. This way works for me.
 
Manual, because i believe that by adjusting all the settings manually, i capture pretty good images as considered to auto-adjustment. However in the beginning i preferred auto-adjustment.
 
I don't quite see how P would be any better, at least not on my camera. EC adjusts both aperture and time, so if I meter off something that is +2EV, and compensate, i'd then have to scroll through the combinations to return to the shutter speed or aperture I wanted, whereas in manual mode I'd just open up by two stops or increase time with one movement, or a combination of both.

Depending on whether we judge an EC correction is needed, it often isn't, whether circumstances have changed, maybe maybe not, there can be no difference. You could get to the same place I do as fast as I do. Don't think of it as one case in point. We're going to go out and shoot 1000 different photos. With your camera on M you'll be as fast as me in many cases but never faster. I will for some percentage of those 1000 photos be just slightly faster than you. It's about how many physical motions you have to make over that 1000 photos -- I'll make slightly fewer.

Joe

For the majority of situations I shoot in faster isn't better. Correct exposure and DOF is far more important. I am predominantly in Av except when it's moving and I shift to Tv. In difficult lighting I will use Manual and review, review, review.
 

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