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Do you manual all the time?

Newer Leica can do aperture priority. Just set the shutter speed dial to the "A" position.


I usually use Aperture priority with Auto ISO, Max ISO to HI.2 (highest my camera can go) and shutter speed to whatever minimum I think its appropiate.

When I have a portrait (single person), I use maximum aperture.

When I have a group or other larger subject, I raise the aperture.


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I don't wish to appear to be a pedant, but in this context you are lowering the aperture. The numbers go up, but as they are fractions, the size of the aperture goes down. I appreciate that you will know this but as this is the beginners forum, newbies may not know this, and its important to know how aperture works correctly to harness the skills of getting the exposure right.
 
On a Nikon, if part of your pictorial objective is a sharp image then AutoISO should be used. I would simply set the slowest shutter speed that I'm willing to use into the AutoISO settings. Now I shoot in A mode. As I narrow my aperture from 5.6 to 11 and the shutter slows, the camera will not allow the shutter to drop below my MSS (Minimum Shutter Speed) setting, and will instead increase ISO to make up the difference in exposure. As to your stated concerns of not wanting to go much higher than a certain ISO or this or that...

I change my MSS to 1/50s.

I don't understand how this is remotely more intuitive or faster than manual mode.

as I said previously...we are all slaves to the light. We can only do what the light allows. And if that means using ISO 6400 to meet the demands of our desired effects (being DOF and blur) then that's what we use. Otherwise, you have no image. What are you going to do...try a slower shutter speed and hope you don't get any blur? All that gets you is a bunch of blurry images.

I adjust exposure according to the settings which will least affect the final output. I will first adjust shutter speed. I will then adjust aperture. I will FINALLY, if NOTHING ELSE is working, I'll adjust ISO. But this adjustment is kept to a minimum by going back through and compromising aperture, because in most cases I'd rather have shallower DOF than image noise and lower dynamic range and resolution. But the camera doesn't know what "most cases" mean.

It's just not a matter of "if I hit this ceiling, then start adjusting ISO to you're camera heart's content". I don't need or want to go through a bunch of menus to change min/max settings to accomplish this same result. Instead, I keep my minimum and maximums in my head and manually TELL the camera how to apply them.

Once I've done doing whatever is necessary to get the scene under a single light source (or to operate as if) I can set the actual exposure. I'm not a proponent of ETTR, so I will usually just use my gray card in constant-light conditions and lock exposure, or if the light is constantly changing, I'll pick one spot on the subject to act as my exposure (and focus) reference. The gray card method is easiest and will guarantee that any bright reflective highlights will have as much exposure as possible without clipping. To set exposure I just face the card to the light, spot meter the card, and press AE Lock. I set my EC to +1.3 (the correct EC for my particular gray card) and I'm done with exposure. If I have to use the subject as a reference in changing light, then I simply go old-school and make a guesstimate based on knowledge and experience on the EV correction needed for the subject tone. I may take a test shot to check the exposure. By tying exposure to a particular point on the subject, it will be consistent regardless of how the light changes.

And all I do, in a typical setting, is meter the brightest part of the scene and increase exposure by around +3EV. My camera has a maximum exposure of +3.7EV, so I know anything brighter will fit within those 0.7 stops of latitude. No grey card, no guestimation. My hilights never clip, seldom are shadows without discernible detail; and even if they were I'd know that in order to get detail out, I'd have to clip the hilights. Sometimes this is OK, sometimes it isn't. But the greycard doesn't know that, and it's faster to say "everything brighter than that is ok to clip".

It's not about the light source, it's about what the light reflects. The brightest region will always be at the edge of latitude regardless what the shadows are doing.

Though this really has nothing to do with AE.

Once my exposure is set I'll select the exposure mode that's best suited for the image I want. Then I adjust whatever the priority function is to the setting I want, and I'm ready to shoot. Under constant light I can just press the shutter. Under changing light I have to move my focus point to the reference point on the subject.

Ok. I can dig that. Not sure I'd want my reference point to be my focus point, but I'm sure that you can change this. I never said that manual is best suited for all situations, only that it's more flexible in terms of changing settings.

Second, because I'm in an auto mode, I'm able to change the one setting that I care about (or sometimes, but very rarely, two settings) directly and without regard for the other settings.

See, and I can - and do, often. But as far as I can tell, this is a Sony/Minolta feature.

Dark coat, -1. Light-skinned face, +1. I spin the dial and shoot. Sometimes there isn't even time to do that, and I just press the shutter. Better to get a shot that needs to be fixed, than no shot at all.

In this case, I'll just increase or decrease exposure directly. If you're metering from a variable reference, then you don't gain any advantage *at all* by using auto mode, all you're doing is limiting the combinations of ISO, shutter speed and aperture that you can access on the fly.

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It is impressive your understanding of exposure, especially in terms of EV, but our approach to exposure is so VASTLY different. I do ETTR, you don't. You seem more focused on what light is available, I'm more focused on what light is reflected back. Your approach is very similar to slide film, mine is closer to b/w.

I doubt we'll ever find common ground on this issue, not because you're wrong and just stupid but rather because we literally see things so differently.

But in the end, we both get good exposures according to our expectations.
 
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I don't quite see how P would be any better, at least not on my camera. EC adjusts both aperture and time, so if I meter off something that is +2EV, and compensate, i'd then have to scroll through the combinations to return to the shutter speed or aperture I wanted, whereas in manual mode I'd just open up by two stops or increase time with one movement, or a combination of both.

Depending on whether we judge an EC correction is needed, it often isn't, whether circumstances have changed, maybe maybe not, there can be no difference. You could get to the same place I do as fast as I do. Don't think of it as one case in point. We're going to go out and shoot 1000 different photos. With your camera on M you'll be as fast as me in many cases but never faster. I will for some percentage of those 1000 photos be just slightly faster than you. It's about how many physical motions you have to make over that 1000 photos -- I'll make slightly fewer.

Joe

For the majority of situations I shoot in faster isn't better. Correct exposure and DOF is far more important. I am predominantly in Av except when it's moving and I shift to Tv. In difficult lighting I will use Manual and review, review, review.

I don't rank speed as top priority. I never compromise on getting a correct exposure or the motion rendition/DOF that I want. That given, I then want the most efficient way to get there.

Joe
 
I'll admit that, now that I have looked into how my a700 works in program, which is essentially "auto-assist manual mode" it is more appealing to me.

I just don't know if I could get used to it.
 
I usually only do it manually if the wife has a "headache" :mrgreen:
 
When I was learning I used manual 100% of the time. This was so I understood what I was doing each time and actively thought of it. It really did wonders for how fast I learned.

I eventually got used to it but noticed I was missing opportunities due to how long it took me to adjust everything. The D3100 doesn't have as many knobs and buttons so its sometimes takes a little longer.

Now I shoot aperture priority about 80% of the time, shutter priority 10% and manual 10%. I break out manual when its a stationary object I really like and want to get the best picture I can.

There is a time and a place for each settings method, pick and choose.
 
If I'm shooting a landscape with the camera on a tripod, it's manual. This way, I can focus & compose the shot, then use my Starlite spot meter to get some serious light measurements. With that information, it's easier for me to just spin the dials to get the aperture & shutter speed(s) I need. Especially for HDR. Since the rear dial controls the shutter speed, I can readily use that to obtain the number of shots I need to build the HDR.

I guess I'm old-school, in that my first 4 or 5 cameras didn't have auto anything. They may have had a meter, but it simply showed me which way I needed to go with my settings.

Then Pentax came out with the ME Super, which has aperture-preferred (A or Av in digital lingo). Made shooting fast action in varying light a whole lot easier. I'll still default to P or A today to shoot 'candids', like a kid's birthday party.
 
I just bought a book on Friday that talked about this in the first chapter. It has assignments to use AP, SP and Manual to see how the exposure triangle work. So I put my camera back in AP mode and was out taking pictures this weekend. It seemed easier to get the exposure right or better without a lot of blown out sun highlights.
 
^^ I never have blown hilights i'm not expecting. Never. Unless I'm sloppy.
 
Graystar said:
massive SNIP>>> ...different environment have different needs.

Diz-ACTLY!!!!!

I smugly laugh inside at the all-manual,all-the time,M-is-the-best snobs. It's a dumb way to think. Imagine a world with only ONE movie theater. ONE TV series. ONE entree at all restaurants. ONE kind of motor vehicle. ONE size of shoe. Rrrriiight...
 
It's not about the light source for you because you're practicing ETTR...and I've already said I'm not a practioner of ETTR. With your method you must always adjust exposure in post processing to restore the brightness levels. With my method the brightness of the scene is correct (well...not "correct" but "standard"...which is usually what I want.)

Standard is NOT what I want in an exposure, what I am looking for is maximum amount of data from the scene. In my belief it is better to capture more than you need, than try to create what you need from very little.

It's not a matter of "adjusting exposure" in post, but processing the data in a similar way as you would in b/w zone system, but in reverse.

You say you never clip highlights, but is that because you review your first attempt, spot the clipped highlight, and then reset your exposure based on the highlight that's truly brightest (rather than the one you thought was brightest...but wasn't?)

No, this is completely not true at all. I typically don't have any problem finding the brightest value, and I give it about a -2/3-1ev latitude to provide a bit of wiggle room. But typically, the high values are pushed up against the right with nothing I don't expect to going over. Sometimes I get lazy, but I've been working on this and am getting back on my game. But no. It's not hard to pick out the brightest region in a scene without resorting to making a test shot first.

You say you're not guesstimating (which, by the way, I said was for changing-light conditions...you're talking about constant light) but you have to guess at which is the brightest highlight. You need to take your camera, point at various highlights, and review the meter to see which is the brightest. I don't go through that. The gray card guarantees that I won't clip highlights.

I don't really understand how your greycard knows anything about your camera's latitude. If the hilights are +5EV they're going to clip. I can almost 100% guarantee you that if your shadows are looking good SOOC, your hilights are much, much less exposed than you are thinking they are.

Regardless if your brightest region is one stop above middle grey, your greycard will always say it's only at Zone VI.

It's possible that I may leave some highlight space unused, but rarely is that more than one stop. It doesn't bother me, because if the scene DID contain a bright highlight, ETTR would give me the exposure I get from the gray card anyways. That's why I don't practice ETTR...I find it a waste of time (for my photography.)

And my bet is that you push those hilights with an S-curve in post.
 
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Graystar said:
massive SNIP>>> ...different environment have different needs.

Diz-ACTLY!!!!!

I smugly laugh inside at the all-manual,all-the time,M-is-the-best snobs. It's a dumb way to think. Imagine a world with only ONE movie theater. ONE TV series. ONE entree at all restaurants. ONE kind of motor vehicle. ONE size of shoe. Rrrriiight...

I hear WAY more "manual is useless" than "manual is best" snobbery. I'd say it's insecurity, but I can't imagine that you both don't at least know how to shoot manual
 
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Always manual. I like to take responsibility for what I'm doing with a camera. If I set it on anything else I have an excuse if things don't go the way I want them to. It's more important to learn from mistakes.
 

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