Drunk Bully gets one hit KO'd

[Ballistics]

My opinion about confronting him isn't absolute. That's based on the "If you are going to hit someone" line. It's got nothing to do with being animalistic.
In other words, I'd prefer to see the guy in the grey shirt walk in the middle of both parties and diffuse the situation.

 

[Buckster]

Then why are the words and phrase "real man" and "coward" being used by those who find it so wrong that gray shirt did what he did?

I never said anything about being a real man.

It was from Canuk's post here: http://www.thephotoforum.com/forum/...nk-bully-gets-one-hit-ko-d-7.html#post2900669

But me calling him a coward has nothing to do with anything you make it out to be.

How can it not? It says that gray shirt cannot take that "cowardly" action without being deemed a "coward". Thus, he has two choices remaining:

1. Not get involved and let the bully continue.
2. Confront him directly, get beat down, and let the bully continue.

Either way, the bully "wins" and can continue to do whatever he wants.

I'd rather see the situation diffused rather than detonated.

Wouldn't we all.

But if you don't have the a$$ to take on drunk bully in a "real man" direct confrontation fistfight, and you're not allowed by the societal rules of what it means to be a "real man" to take him out by other means, then how do you diffuse it?

We already saw that flashing the peace sign with both hands doesn't work.

 

[Buckster]

My opinion about confronting him isn't absolute. That's based on the "If you are going to hit someone" line. It's got nothing to do with being animalistic.
In other words, I'd prefer to see the guy in the grey shirt walk in the middle of both parties and diffuse the situation.

That's a direct confrontation to drunk guy, and is not likely to diffuse the situation in the real world, and you should know that.

It's much more likely that gray shirt is then going to be on the receiving end of drunk guy's next punch or series of punches, and perhaps a devastating one (or more) at that. So, now gray shirt is on the ground bleeding, missing teeth and knocked out, nice little concussion going on, drunk bully is feeling even more superior and emboldened and has even more adrenaline flowing, and things are actually escalating, not diffusing.

Oh, but that's the way a "real man" would handle it though, right? Yeah, makes total sense.

 

[Ballistics]

But if you don't have the a$$ to take on drunk bully in a "real man" direct confrontation fistfight, and you're not allowed by the societal rules of what it means to be a "real man" to take him out by other means, then how do you diffuse it?

We already saw that flashing the peace sign with both hands doesn't work.

Verbally diffuse it. "I've just called the police and they're on their way. Everyone might want to leave" or "Is this really necessary. Let's all go our separate ways"
If you don't feel that you can beat the guy up in the first place, than you shouldn't even be thinking about throwing a punch.

The peace sign did work, the guy started walking away, but someone shouted something to regain his attention.

 

[amolitor]

Defusing this sort of situation is a bit subtle, you have to be both friendly and bossy toward the problematic guy. You gotta make him believe that you get his problems and you're basically on his side. I've stepped in to a bunch of these over the years and never gotten hit. I generally call the cops, too, but I don't tell that to drunk homeboy.

It helps to be sober.

 

[Ballistics]

My opinion about confronting him isn't absolute. That's based on the "If you are going to hit someone" line. It's got nothing to do with being animalistic.
In other words, I'd prefer to see the guy in the grey shirt walk in the middle of both parties and diffuse the situation.

That's a direct confrontation to drunk guy, and is not likely to diffuse the situation in the real world, and you should know that.

It's much more likely that gray shirt is then going to be on the receiving end of drunk guy's next punch or series of punches, and perhaps a devastating one (or more) at that. So, now gray shirt is on the ground bleeding, missing teeth and knocked out, nice little concussion going on, drunk bully is feeling even more superior and emboldened and has even more adrenaline flowing, and things are actually escalating, not diffusing.

Oh, but that's the way a "real man" would handle it though, right? Yeah, makes total sense.

And if he is on the receiving end of the bullies punch, that's the choice he made to get involved. That's him saying, I'm not a part of this, but I'm going to make myself a part of this. Same thing with throwing a sucker punch, only, it's an honorable decision. As for it not diffusing the situation, I've seen it done countless times. It's pretty realistic.

I also think you are giving the assailant some extreme benefit of doubt. We saw nothing but a couple of slap box style hits from him.

 

[Majeed Badizadegan]

Defusing this sort of situation is a bit subtle, you have to be both friendly and bossy toward the problematic guy. You gotta make him believe that you get his problems and you're basically on his side. I've stepped in to a bunch of these over the years and never gotten hit. I generally call the cops, too, but I don't tell that to drunk homeboy.

It helps to be sober.

Maybe you are the drunk, belligerent whisperer that Gotham needs

 

[runnah]

We've all sucker punched a drunk guy at a street festival. If you say you haven't I know you are lying.

 

[Canuk]

Defusing this sort of situation is a bit subtle, you have to be both friendly and bossy toward the problematic guy. You gotta make him believe that you get his problems and you're basically on his side. I've stepped in to a bunch of these over the years and never gotten hit. I generally call the cops, too, but I don't tell that to drunk homeboy.

It helps to be sober.

^^^this

I have had the pleasure(?), of defusing several drunks, and have never had to knock someone out to do it. Usually when someone outside the situation gets in middle of its over.

 

[usayit]

Didn't the guy in the red shirt try to get in the middle of this? ended up getting smacked at the beginning?

He later showed some pretty good restraint pulling his drunk friend (black shirt) away when he tried to kick the unconscious bully.


... yeh... talking worked really well...

 

[Ballistics]

Didn't the guy in the red shirt try to get in the middle of this? ended up getting smacked at the beginning?

He later showed some pretty good restraint pulling his drunk friend (black shirt) away when he tried to kick the unconscious bully.


... yeh... talking worked really well...

You're right, it did work. However, you're using the middle of that altercation as your leverage that talking doesn't work.

Go rewatch the video.

 

[amolitor]

The guys who were trying to calm the drunk down weren't doing it right. It's *subtle* like I say, and among other things it involves staying out of range until you've established a relationship with the guy. Which can take literally seconds if you're lucky, drunks are funny.

It's helpful if you've spent a lot of time drunk.

 

[usayit]

Didn't the guy in the red shirt try to get in the middle of this? ended up getting smacked at the beginning?

He later showed some pretty good restraint pulling his drunk friend (black shirt) away when he tried to kick the unconscious bully.


... yeh... talking worked really well...

You're right, it did work. However, you're using the middle of that altercation as your leverage that talking doesn't work.

Go rewatch the video.

I have re-watched it... several times. You have no standing... unless you were there and saw more than what was captured in the video.

What I am simply stating is that the guy in the red shirt DID look like he was trying to stop the altercation from going any further.... he also used restraint and did not retaliate with a single punch. Whether or not he did it correctly is besides the point.... Bully is a bully and when they feel that they have the upper hand... they take it.

Do we even know that the bully was drunk?

I went through similar cases in high school. I was a quiet type.. non-confrontational... just like many traditional Asian cultures raise their kids. Till one day, I dropped everything, turned around and smacked the guy. Teachers showed up before it got any further. I got detention... but they left me alone from that day on.... never had to do it again. Dad understood... took me out for dinner afterwards. He wasn't angry because I didn't start it.. but It tried to end it.

We don't know who the grey shirt guy is... he may have been just another jacka$$ too.... but we are making assumptions. Perhaps he just got tired of this silly behavior... maybe he was standing up for another. There is so much useless speculation in this thread. But me.. personally... I'm going to give the grey shirt guy the benefit of doubt and say the bully deserved it.. but stop short of calling the guy a stand up hero. His actions did put a stop to it ... rather quickly... no denying that

PS> Ballistics... I've read your participation in this thread. Sounds like you are hell bent on winning an argument rather than simply discussing. Your previous two responses to my posts have been in itself confrontational. I'm not arguing with you... I am simply stating my different view.

 

[Ballistics]

Didn't the guy in the red shirt try to get in the middle of this? ended up getting smacked at the beginning?

He later showed some pretty good restraint pulling his drunk friend (black shirt) away when he tried to kick the unconscious bully.


... yeh... talking worked really well...

You're right, it did work. However, you're using the middle of that altercation as your leverage that talking doesn't work.

Go rewatch the video.

I have re-watched it... several times. You have no standing... unless you were there and saw more than what was captured in the video.

What I am simply stating is that the guy in the red shirt DID look like he was trying to stop the altercation from going any further.... he also used restraint and did not retaliate with a single punch.

Do we even know that the bully was drunk?

Yeah, and based on the video, nothing says that talking doesn't work. The video starts with the guy getting smacked, and the dude puts up peace signs but is resisting his friend who is trying to push him away.
They go off screen, something is said and the guy comes back. Hes slapping people. Everyone is making him out to be some bruiser. He's being annoying and obnoxious, but he's not throwing heymakers.

 

[Ballistics]

:28 seconds he's a shocked victim and the bully is a big mean jerk.
:34 seconds and he's a tough guy throwing kicks at a lifeless body.

If coward isn't the term to describe him, I don't know what is.