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DXOMark Tests: Nikon D5200 Edges out the D7100?

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Not all new dslr users are idiots and take crap images. The D7100 so you know Ross isn't that much of a difference from my D5100. The D7100 is still an entry level camera that anybody can learn with a little practice and reading.

It's not rocket science to learn how to use any DSLR.
Anyway if was in your position I would have gotten the D5200 as well over the D7100. The price difference of both camera kits with a 18-105 is $500 so you can get a prime (35mm or 50mm 1.8g) and a 70-300 vr used and have a great setup.
 
thing that people are missing is this, not everyone buying 5200's are beginners... it is a great camera in its own right, and just because it isn't in the high price bracket - it doesn't mean it is only for beginners, that is so incredibly far from the truth it is beyond words... if you love photography either camera will do, one is sturdier than the other but, at twice the price...??
 
thing that people are missing is this, not everyone buying 5200's are beginners... it is a great camera in its own right, and just because it isn't in the high price bracket - it doesn't mean it is only for beginners, that is so incredibly far from the truth it is beyond words... if you love photography either camera will do, one is sturdier than the other but, at twice the price...??

NO.. TWICE THE FEATURES! I guess you are missing that! It has been mentioned!
 
thing that people are missing is this, not everyone buying 5200's are beginners... it is a great camera in its own right, and just because it isn't in the high price bracket - it doesn't mean it is only for beginners, that is so incredibly far from the truth it is beyond words... if you love photography either camera will do, one is sturdier than the other but, at twice the price...??

NO.. TWICE THE FEATURES! I guess you are missing that! It has been mentioned!
No, he didnt miss it he just deliberatly avoid this point because this will drop the basis of his claim the D5200 is a better camera then the D7100.

Its like saying a Ford has 3 trim grades

Base
XLT
Limited

And someone is arguing the Base model is better then the Limited because its basically same vehicle but without looking at all the add ons the Limited will have and then saying the Base is better because its 10000$ cheaper for the same car.
He has no ground to stand on just same line saying both cameras has more or less same pic quality, a point by the way that no one argues about.

This is becoming old, repetitive and most of all boring argument and as much as people are trying to tell him you cant look at just one part of the camera and conclude from that it is better then an other camera.
A camera is a machine that is made of all its parts and you cant pick and choose a part you want and walk around saying because of that this camera is better, thats a childish argument.
 
How does the D4 16.2 mp camera compare to the D5200?
it doesn't even have a built in flash ... nevermind ...

It has less MP so the image quality must be not as good as the D5200 :mrgreen:
 
Guys, Guys, Guys! Behave yourselves! at the end of the day, when the cameras go back into the bag, and all that now remains is the images taken with them....

The two cameras both have the same image quality!

Who cares - at that point - which one was used to make the images?

Seems to me those that have paid out nearly double for 'features' and are getting no improvement in quality are just a bit peeved at Nikon (and me) for putting this on the market.

There is a saying in the UK, you get what you pay for. My only point is that the questionable 'features' on what would be an upgrade for me, would leave me paying a similar amount of money, again, to trade 'up' to a camera that does not offer me the slightest improvement in image quality. Whatever anyone has to say, contra to this, is illogical.

The 'lesser' of the two models does offer pretty much everything the 'better' model does, apart from weathersealing, use with older lenses, and a brighter viewfinder. We already dispelled the 7fps 'advantage' as you have to drop to 16mp to get it, using a cropped area, not the whole frame.

Here, in the real world, we buy products based on a number of factors. I concede and agree that, you pay your money and make your choice, but my only serious point is this - the price difference is too great. Going back a few years, a 24mp camera, tested to give you this kind of quality image, would have set you back several thousand UK pounds (even more in USD).

Yet, Nikon have put this wonderful product out there, into the hands of people who can't, or won't pay twice the price, simply to get this kind of image quality, and to be fair, camera quality too.

I don't know how many of the '7100' fan club in here have actually picked up, let alone used the 5200. I have tried both, I spent over an hour choosing between the two models. I can tell you now, money was not an issue. My only concern was to evaluate between the two. I was tempted by the 7100 but I have no old lenses, and have no intention of buying any. As I run this as a business, I can claim purchases against income, and depreciate the value of them against tax, over a number of years. That makes it easier, not harder, to justify the more expensive camera, yet, when I stood in the Nikon dealer's with the pair, it just seemed ridiculous to pay double money, for no image boost in the slightest.

These features everyone keeps ranting on about... I accept that to some people (but I doubt everyone) one or two of them can be important. I might have been swayed to go for the 7100, but only in the following scenarios... the price was 50% more, and it had a tilting and rotating LCD.... or.... the price was 30% more, as it is.

Having used the (three) D5200's for two months, shooting weddings, commercial advertising, and personal stuff, this photographer has no regrets. The others on our team have borrowed one of them from time to time and are close to replacing their own bodies, in the next six months or so. One is using the D5100 which was my own former camera. Nothing wrong with it at all, I loved it. We do rent a Hassleblad for special jobs that require the finished print to be 'huge' but the bottom line is, 20 x 16" prints from the 5200 are mindblowing... as long as the subject is a good one, properly focussed and exposed etc etc etc.

I know how nice it is to have the latest, greatest, I've made those mistakes before. I got an SLR which, even in 1988, cost over six hundred UK pounds, with a 50mm F 1.4 lens, and though it turned out good quality images, there was one model above it, and four models below it, in the line, all of which, with that f1.4 lens fitted, produced identical images. After a year or less, in use, the 'features' I had paid so much money for, were never used or needed. At the time, I could have bought 2 or 3 cameras for the one I actually got. For those who are old enough to remember kodachrome, reciprocity failure, and real film, the camera was a Canon A1. At the time the range comprised of Canon AV1 AT1 AE1 AE1p A1 and F1. All six were limited to the same image quality.

It seems we have come full circle. To be honest, I don't think Nikon intended the 5200 to be quite so good as to compete so strongly with their 7100. What we may be missing, however, is the niche range of this model vs the Canon (and to a lesser extent, other brands). From what I've read, which admittedly, is very little, Canon have no answer to the D5200 at the moment, so new photographers will have a no brainer choice at the camera store. Not in the price range anyway.

Those who want a great camera capable of great images should not be put off by some of the posts you may have read in this thread. I would be miffed if I had bought a 7100 at twice the price, only to find Nikon's lesser model equals or outperforms it, it is perfectly understandable. The 5200 may be touted as an upper entry level camera, there is the 3200 and 5100 below it, but don't let that fool you, it is a capable camera, and, with a little jiggery pokery in learning the menu system well, equals many of the features you'll find on the higher models.

For example, much has been made of the 7100 having two dials, for when you shoot manual exposures. OK the 5200 has just one.. so... set the camera mode to M, turn the dial to set the shutter speed, then, hold down the button near the shutter release marked +/- (exposure compensation when in one of the automatic modes) and turn the same dial again to set an aperture.

Is that really a deal breaker? This holds true for many of the other features, you just need to familiarise with the method of the control system. I can tell you, the interface is better and faster than the older D5100, access is much quicker with the new layout on the menu via the LCD and toggle/OK controls, and easier to follow.

There is a pride of ownership thing going on, call it camera snobbery, if you like, we've all met people toting very expensive gear who probably get it out for holidays, christmas and birthdays, and then store it away again for the rest of the year. I can tell you that if you are a real photographer, either of these models will fit the bill, you have to decide between them. For me, I could not justify the high cost of a 7100... I would spend a little more and go for the D600 instead, given the pricing point between the two - the 600 and the 7100, that is.

Rumors abound that the 600 is due an upgrade, to fix production problems with sensors getting dirty in use (and even out of the box in some cases) so if you are hovering between models but leaning towards a 7100, if you can hold on for the 600 replacement, that could be a plan!

;)
 
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Time has taught me that DXO should not be your only point for deciding a camera. All canon cameras score really bad on dxo but they are not that bad. At some point I had a tough time deciding between the nikon d7000 vs 60D and went for d7000 because of the better image quality the whole internet talked about.. In the end I had major issues with 35 1.8G and focusing problems .. I then went for the 60D and to be honest I could not see any difference in IQ between the two.
Two months down I now own a nikon D600 just because dxo rated the sensor third best .. But in reality I am struggling to make the images look better than the 5d mark III.. (See my thread)

As for the d5200 vs d7100, manual controls always cost more .. No wonder d90 was such a major success and still sells for £300+ preowned
And then there is a built in motor in the D7100 which opens up possibilities to use cheaper lens... I mean if u end up buying 3-4 G lens vs the cheaper ones , you would exceed the price difference of a d7100 anyway ...
 
Guys, Guys, Guys! Behave yourselves! at the end of the day, when the cameras go back into the bag, and all that now remains is the images taken with them....

The two cameras both have the same image quality!

Who cares - at that point - which one was used to make the images?

Seems to me those that have paid out nearly double for 'features' and are getting no improvement in quality are just a bit peeved at Nikon (and me) for putting this on the market.

There is a saying in the UK, you get what you pay for. My only point is that the questionable 'features' on what would be an upgrade for me, would leave me paying a similar amount of money, again, to trade 'up' to a camera that does not offer me the slightest improvement in image quality. Whatever anyone has to say, contra to this, is illogical.

The 'lesser' of the two models does offer pretty much everything the 'better' model does, apart from weathersealing, use with older lenses, and a brighter viewfinder. We already dispelled the 7fps 'advantage' as you have to drop to 16mp to get it, using a cropped area, not the whole frame.

Here, in the real world, we buy products based on a number of factors. I concede and agree that, you pay your money and make your choice, but my only serious point is this - the price difference is too great. Going back a few years, a 24mp camera, tested to give you this kind of quality image, would have set you back several thousand UK pounds (even more in USD).

Yet, Nikon have put this wonderful product out there, into the hands of people who can't, or won't pay twice the price, simply to get this kind of image quality, and to be fair, camera quality too.

I don't know how many of the '7100' fan club in here have actually picked up, let alone used the 5200. I have tried both, I spent over an hour choosing between the two models. I can tell you now, money was not an issue. My only concern was to evaluate between the two. I was tempted by the 7100 but I have no old lenses, and have no intention of buying any. As I run this as a business, I can claim purchases against income, and depreciate the value of them against tax, over a number of years. That makes it easier, not harder, to justify the more expensive camera, yet, when I stood in the Nikon dealer's with the pair, it just seemed ridiculous to pay double money, for no image boost in the slightest.

These features everyone keeps ranting on about... I accept that to some people (but I doubt everyone) one or two of them can be important. I might have been swayed to go for the 7100, but only in the following scenarios... the price was 50% more, and it had a tilting and rotating LCD.... or.... the price was 30% more, as it is.

Having used the (three) D5200's for two months, shooting weddings, commercial advertising, and personal stuff, this photographer has no regrets. The others on our team have borrowed one of them from time to time and are close to replacing their own bodies, in the next six months or so. One is using the D5100 which was my own former camera. Nothing wrong with it at all, I loved it. We do rent a Hassleblad for special jobs that require the finished print to be 'huge' but the bottom line is, 20 x 16" prints from the 5200 are mindblowing... as long as the subject is a good one, properly focussed and exposed etc etc etc.

I know how nice it is to have the latest, greatest, I've made those mistakes before. I got an SLR which, even in 1988, cost over six hundred UK pounds, with a 50mm F 1.4 lens, and though it turned out good quality images, there was one model above it, and four models below it, in the line, all of which, with that f1.4 lens fitted, produced identical images. After a year or less, in use, the 'features' I had paid so much money for, were never used or needed. At the time, I could have bought 2 or 3 cameras for the one I actually got. For those who are old enough to remember kodachrome, reciprocity failure, and real film, the camera was a Canon A1. At the time the range comprised of Canon AV1 AT1 AE1 AE1p A1 and F1. All six were limited to the same image quality.

It seems we have come full circle. To be honest, I don't think Nikon intended the 5200 to be quite so good as to compete so strongly with their 7100. What we may be missing, however, is the niche range of this model vs the Canon (and to a lesser extent, other brands). From what I've read, which admittedly, is very little, Canon have no answer to the D5200 at the moment, so new photographers will have a no brainer choice at the camera store. Not in the price range anyway.

Those who want a great camera capable of great images should not be put off by some of the posts you may have read in this thread. I would be miffed if I had bought a 7100 at twice the price, only to find Nikon's lesser model equals or outperforms it, it is perfectly understandable. The 5200 may be touted as an upper entry level camera, there is the 3200 and 5100 below it, but don't let that fool you, it is a capable camera, and, with a little jiggery pokery in learning the menu system well, equals many of the features you'll find on the higher models.

For example, much has been made of the 7100 having two dials, for when you shoot manual exposures. OK the 5200 has just one.. so... set the camera mode to M, turn the dial to set the shutter speed, then, hold down the button near the shutter release marked +/- (exposure compensation when in one of the automatic modes) and turn the same dial again to set an aperture.

Is that really a deal breaker? This holds true for many of the other features, you just need to familiarise with the method of the control system. I can tell you, the interface is better and faster than the older D5100, access is much quicker with the new layout on the menu via the LCD and toggle/OK controls, and easier to follow.

There is a pride of ownership thing going on, call it camera snobbery, if you like, we've all met people toting very expensive gear who probably get it out for holidays, christmas and birthdays, and then store it away again for the rest of the year. I can tell you that if you are a real photographer, either of these models will fit the bill, you have to decide between them. For me, I could not justify the high cost of a 7100... I would spend a little more and go for the D600 instead, given the pricing point between the two - the 600 and the 7100, that is.

Rumors abound that the 600 is due an upgrade, to fix production problems with sensors getting dirty in use (and even out of the box in some cases) so if you are hovering between models but leaning towards a 7100, if you can hold on for the 600 replacement, that could be a plan!

;)

From all your replies this one is the only one which I feel you spoke from your heart.
Still all I can read is how you dont see the value in many of the features the D7100 has over the D5200 and you simply dont get it, YOU dont value them as important others DO value them and are willing to pay more to get them, what is the big deal ?
Why cant you let it be ?
Accept this and move on ?

Let me try to explain this in an other way, let me ask you a question do you wear a watch ?
If you do what is the rough value of this watch ?
I like watches, I spent much more on watches then on my camera equipment, most people dont get what is so special about these watches that will make me spend the money on them.
My few friends that appreciate watches "get it" the others dont, either way I bought my watches for me and I dont care what others think about watches wether they agree or disagree with my choice to buy them.

Why do you feel the need to "allow" me to buy the D5200 and not the D7100, why dont you get the fact others see things differently then you.
I dont question your choice in cameras but yet you have such a strong need to tell others what camera they should buy.
You said you have a saying in UK, well in Canada we have a saying too "different strokes for different falks".

I said it few times and will say it again, I dont think like you and apparently those who bought the D7100 and not the D5200 dont think like you either, we value things in our camera that you dont get, why wouldnt you respectfully agree to disagree and move on ?

If you are a pro I could tell you what I think of a pro coming to a wedding with a silly little camera like the D5200 snapping around with his silly little thing in his hands.
I could but I wouldnt, you know why ?
Because I DONT CARE, if a pro comes to a wedding and does his job and the customer is happy who the heck am I to judge but yet and agin and again you find the need to judge others on their choices which apparently you dont get and dont respect.

Your constant crying over the D5200 vs D7100 is honestly annoying, somehow I find myself sucked into your posts trying to explain again and again I value things you dont, I like things in the D7100 that you dont, there is nothing you can say that will make me go "darn I made a mistake I should have went with the D5200".
I dont try to argue about camera with you just to try to say I see things differently, why cant you let it be ?
 
Not all new dslr users are idiots and take crap images. The D7100 so you know Ross isn't that much of a difference from my D5100. The D7100 is still an entry level camera that anybody can learn with a little practice and reading.

It's not rocket science to learn how to use any DSLR.
Anyway if was in your position I would have gotten the D5200 as well over the D7100. The price difference of both camera kits with a 18-105 is $500 so you can get a prime (35mm or 50mm 1.8g) and a 70-300 vr used and have a great setup.

Yioties, you are very wise, and very correct. I traded up from my D5100 a few months ago for one reason only - to give me more crop options if and when the need arose. It does, sometimes, as we all make mistakes with composition etc.

The extra money to buy more or better glass is also the thrust of my reasoning... despite a raft of opposition from mostly 7100 owners, or so it seems. Simple to make a choice, are any of the 7100 features, as they stand, absolute must-have, or are they features you may never use? I think mr average photographer is wasting money, given that both cameras produce the same quality image at the end of the shoot.

The D5100 is a fantastic camera, I would recommend it any day, and if I didn't need the possibility of cropping somtimes, or the ability to get huge prints, I would have stuck with it for the forseeable future. I have spent quite some time in a dealer looking at the 7100 and 5200 before making the choice - even the dealer conceeded the 7100 was a little ott for most purposes...

Nice to meet someone a bit like minded, glad to read your comments.
 
Yup,
The other day after the creek "dip" incident I put my D7000 back into the backpack, fully functioning. If I had a D5x000 I think I would have been putting a dead D5x000 body back into the camera bag. Not to mention most of my lenses wouldn't work with it anyways.
You get what you pay for, and you buy what you "need".
 
Yup,
The other day after the creek "dip" incident I put my D7000 back into the backpack, fully functioning. If I had a D5x000 I think I would have been putting a dead D5x000 body back into the camera bag. Not to mention most of my lenses wouldn't work with it anyways.
You get what you pay for, and you buy what you "need".

how submerged did the camera and lens actually get? i have heard lots of stories of cameras getting a lot less wet, and coming out a lot more dead.
 
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