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For portraits do you use a flash in daylight also?

You can use flash in daylight but unless you understand how to control ambient and flash, it will only be to fill shadows. To do this, simply set the flash to TTL and go to -2 flash compensation as a starting point. There are many ways to use flash in daylight but this is a starting point. The subject should be within the working distance of the flash, which will display on the flash LCD panel. If the subject is outside of that, the flash will have no effect.
 
Yes. This is flashed.
p1180007826-4.jpg

And it's not very natural looking.

How come the grass and other greenery doesn't get the same light as the boys?

Thank you for a very good example of how not to use a flash in daylight.

If this was a job, I'm sure the parents were happy about the shot but, as a nitpicky photographer, I find it a useless waste of my time to comment on.




To the OP: I use flash in daylight very often. I DO NOT use a pop up flash ever. A pop-up is mostly a useless piece of junk.
 
You can use flash in daylight but unless you understand how to control ambient and flash, it will only be to fill shadows. To do this, simply set the flash to TTL and go to -2 flash compensation as a starting point. There are many ways to use flash in daylight but this is a starting point. The subject should be within the working distance of the flash, which will display on the flash LCD panel. If the subject is outside of that, the flash will have no effect.

THIS DUDE gives good advice almost all the time. You might just want to listen to what he has to say.
 
Yes. This is flashed.
p1180007826-4.jpg

And it's not very natural looking.

How come the grass and other greenery doesn't get the same light as the boys?

Thank you for a very good example of how not to use a flash in daylight.

If this was a job, I'm sure the parents were happy about the shot but, as a nitpicky photographer, I find it a useless waste of my time to comment on.




To the OP: I use flash in daylight very often. I DO NOT use a pop up flash ever. A pop-up is mostly a useless piece of junk.
Pretty strong words; perhaps youl could enlighten some of us lesser mortals with an example or two of how you combine flash and ambient light.
 
Just wondering if yous use the flash in daylight also? I've been taking a lot of photos of my kids without the flash in day light and at sport. Do you think it's best to use the flash in the day?

I use it so that my subject can face towards me behind the sun. So their eyes won't be squinting when taking pictures. I do think it's essential to have a flash with you during daytime shooting.
 
Nothing to see here... just a troll.

Yes. This is flashed.
p1180007826-4.jpg

And it's not very natural looking.

How come the grass and other greenery doesn't get the same light as the boys?

Thank you for a very good example of how not to use a flash in daylight.

If this was a job, I'm sure the parents were happy about the shot but, as a nitpicky photographer, I find it a useless waste of my time to comment on.




To the OP: I use flash in daylight very often. I DO NOT use a pop up flash ever. A pop-up is mostly a useless piece of junk.
 
Making it look "natural" with flash is not possible. Your visual cortex is fully capable of noting that there's mystery light in the picture. The game is to balance "natural" and "nice".

Often you can accomplish "looks very nice, and only slightly unnatural" to a degree that we're willing to accept it as natural looking since we've been raised on Life Touch portraiture anyways.
 
Flash allows you to take a passable photo anywhere. And as such, if you have to take photos on demand with little control over location (like Runnah's construction photography for instance), then a flash is not only useful, but pretty much mandatory on a sunny day, because it's the only way to make the photos not horribly harsh.

However, in my opinion, flash as typically used for outdoor shots looks a little forced to me, and unnatural, and I don't prefer it (i'm talking quick handheld type things, not huge studio outdoor setups with assistants and multiple lights etc. which can look just fine).

In order of aesthetics, IMO:
[sunny day, subject in sun, no flash] <<<< [sunny day, subject in sun, flash used well] << [sunny day, subject placed strategically, no flash] << [fully controlled lighting like a portrait studio OR outdoors if you're mostly overpowering the sun anyway -- though squinting is still an issue]

But "strategic placing" is very difficult, and there may not be more than a handful of convenient and suitable locations in an entire small town for taking good photos at the hardest times of day, like high noon in the summer. An example of such a location AT high noon in the summer would be:
* a fairly narrow, but-not-too-narrow east-west alleyway
* with an interesting looking southern wall
* and a uniformly light colored northern wall and ideally a dark (like brick) southern wall
* where the southern building is no more than about 2-3 stories tall, and
* ideally long enough of an alley that you can position the subject far enough away from the far end of the southern wall to blur it out if you so choose.

This would allow you to place the subject in open shade so no direct light or harsh shadows, BUT the sun still hits the northern wall, and reflects right back immediately onto your subject, giving you a directional, city block-sized softbox. Shoot the model with the dark wall as background for manageable dynamic range, and turn them a bit to one side or the other to get butterfly or loop or rembrandt etc. key lighting. Then use a reflector to fill in remaining ratios as desired (works better for more control over this if the south wall is dark and thus not already reflecting too much)

If you can swing something like that, I think it tends to look much better than flash-fixed lighting. Which is great, but there might only be two places like that in town on public property... and you have to have the freedom to go there, which you won't if the shoot has a fixed theme or needs to be done on a specified location.

Gazebos are also nice in that they allow controlled shade at any time of day, and are usually in parks that serve as nice backgrounds. But the reflected main lighting is less directional and controllable and less uniformly colored than in the alleyway example (coming from skyshine above AND grass below AND trees to the side, etc. all about equally)

tl;dr: If you have the freedom to make the stars align and line up a highly controlled, strategic natural light only shot in midday, then it will look the most natural. If you have ANY constraints on your time or location, though, a flash is a lifesaving necessity in midday.
 
Posts 24 and 25, one very short, the other longer, and thoughtful, are both really in most ways, spot-on.

Flash in daylight looks..."FAKED", for the most part. Maybe faked has negative connotations, but it looks like light-that-doesn't-really-belong in many,many real-world locations. I'm not saying this this try and put down anybody's photos or style or favorite ways of working, but bringing electronic flash lighting into a wide array of natural-light, and especially natural-world settings, brings with it a contrived, or expediency-over-aesthetics look, in many,many cases.

A lot of people will prefer the look of reflector fill, or scrim-diffused daylight, OVER FLASH's look. A good case in point is in catalog photography, or celebrity and high-end portraiture, or swimwear beach fashion; the prettiest lighting effect, and the most natural-loking, and I would say the most elegant, is NOT made with flash...it is made with scrims and reflectors, one, or both. But using scrims and or reflectors means a LOT MORE WORK and effort has to be thrown at the shooting situation...

If you have a three-man crew...you can shoot using scrims and reflectors to modify the daylight, and it can look gorgeous...

But, the reality is, it's a heck of a lot easier to use flash.
 
Yes. This is flashed.
p1180007826-4.jpg

And it's not very natural looking.

How come the grass and other greenery doesn't get the same light as the boys?

Thank you for a very good example of how not to use a flash in daylight.

If this was a job, I'm sure the parents were happy about the shot but, as a nitpicky photographer, I find it a useless waste of my time to comment on.




To the OP: I use flash in daylight very often. I DO NOT use a pop up flash ever. A pop-up is mostly a useless piece of junk.


Personally, I think it is a great example of exactly one of the many ways flash can be applied in good taste.
 
Nothing to see here... just a troll.

Lol.

What a wonderful response from someone who has not a thing to say about why he did a certain something.

If 80% of an image is lit differently from the main subject, it looks un-natural. Therefore, you should have lit 80% of the image the same as you main subject.

If you don't understand this, let me explain it an easier way for you to grasp. Natural light ONLY comes from one direction. When light comes from two directions at the same time, you either have a very big mirror that was abandoned in the woods, just where you happened to need it or you have a very un-naturally lit photo.

Get over yourself and learn.

Or don't.

I couldn't care less.

Signed: The TROLL
 
Nothing to see here... just a troll.

Lol.

What a wonderful response from someone who has not a thing to say about why he did a certain something.

If 80% of an image is lit differently from the main subject, it looks un-natural. Therefore, you should have lit 80% of the image the same as you main subject.

If you don't understand this, let me explain it an easier way for you to grasp. Natural light ONLY comes from one direction. When light comes from two directions at the same time, you either have a very big mirror that was abandoned in the woods, just where you happened to need it or you have a very un-naturally lit photo.

Get over yourself and learn.

Or don't.

I couldn't care less.

Signed: The TROLL

What is there to learn? Natural or unnatural, photography is more art than it is technicality.
 
Natural light does not all come from one direction. It usually has a clear dominant single source, which might be what 3Js means, I suppose.
 

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