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[newrmdmike]

i think that the difference may lay in the intent with which the image was created rather than the actual image.

porn would be created for soley the purpose of some type of sexual gratification right?

anything with purposes outside sexual arousal only, or with an intent in evoking thought about censorship or something would not be pornography.

but if you viewed these images side by side out of context without ever hearing or reading anything about them i think many would be indistinguishable.

 

[Iron Flatline]

What newrmdmike said. I am too lazy to actively contribute to such a beaten horse of a thread, but yeah...:

My definition is informed by the assumed original intent of the creator.

 

[Mike_E]

As long as we are talking about porn, what about the gratuitous depiction of suffering? That seems to me to be more more readily pornographic. (substitute morbid obesity or any other human or animal malady)

 

[Don Simon]

As long as we are talking about porn, what about the gratuitous depiction of suffering? That seems to me to be more more readily pornographic.

Guess the question there is, when is it gratuitous? Who decides? Some people aren't happy with the direction some horror movies have taken lately; you see a lot of critics talking about "torture porn"... course most of the time they don't bother to define or explain why, but the use of that word "porn" helps devalue the work and suggest there can't be any more serious interpretation. It implies that people might take pleasure from it but it's a wrong or perverse form of pleasure, being neither harmless popcorn entertainment or more highbrow aesthetic appreciation. Which of course is what critics have been saying about horror films since they existed, but still... it's only recently that I've seen them being commonly referred to as "porn". When the viewer doesn't like what they see, calling it "porn" is a convenient way of quickly devaluing it... when critics say that a photograph or film is "porn" then often they're implying that there's something morally and/or socially inadequate with both the viewers and those who produced it. Or to put it simply, "I don't like it, and if you do then you're weird".

Sorry for taking the thread off on another little tangent

 

[raydius]

I think one way to differentiate porn from art is by how the model is being portrayed. If the model or model's body is being glorified, praised, honored, appreciated then it is art.

If the model is being exploited or used it is porn. If they are positioned in a way that is obviously meant to arouse sexual behavior with no attempt by the photographer to create an interesting play of light and shadow on the subject, or attempt to use negative space and composition in an artful way then it is porn. This becomes more true if the photographer has many similar photos shot in this manner and how the photographer tries to distribute them.

 

[JIP]

I think what it is depends on one thing only and that is what the shoter is trying to say and even then it is subjective.

 

[RMThompson]

I too stand in the "pornography is in the eye of the beholder" camp. No matter what picture is taken, everyone is going to SEE it differently.

Recently I was trying to get my horribly underrated website off the ground, and I sought the help from someone in my area. As it turned out he was a photographer too, a Christian photographer, and agreed to create my website if I agreed to help with with some weddings and what not.

We had a small dispute over how much work I would have to do... (the contract he drafted said if all of it wasnt done in 3 months time, then I owed for the ENTIRE site regardless of how much work ive done prior).

ANYWAY - after a few days of 'cooling off' I was eager to get back to work. He then emailed me and told me he "prayed" about working with me and was led by God himself to NOT associate himself with a PORNOGRAPHER.

The funny part was, at the time he wrote that I had never photographed an entire nude woman, and the work HE had seen was more like this:

Now, I don't consider that porn, and you might not... but HE did. I wrote him back and told him in so many words that he was the one with the issue if he could not view the female form without finding it vulgar, and that was that.

STILL, I was floored. I felt guilty... was I REALLY making PORN? Sure, a lot of it may be SEXY, but PORN? SO I asked around, and I came to the conclusion... porn is in the eye of the beholder.

That's not to say I will shoot anything. By my own rule, I do NOT shoot "porn", but it's MY rule, so I make the definition, and to me, no matter how artistic (porn can be artistic people!!!), sometimes you can just tell that PORN is PORN.

Most of what's on www.met-art.com is porn. It's the way the legs are spread wide, or the way the girl is bent over. If it doesn't seem natural outside of sex, its porn to me.... but that's just ME.

Anyway, I guess the visuals weren't neccessary, but... this thread was lacking something! LOL

 

[Battou]

It's a beautiful shot,

 

[monkeykoder]

Art is in the eye of the artist. It is an expression of the soul, if someone finds it pornographic, it isn't any less of a piece of art.

 

[craig]

Porn is about f¨ç?ˆ˜© as opposed to making love. Porn can be harmless and a great marital aid. Problem is that it can go dark very fast. If you are not mature porn can evoke certain feelings that are not healthy. For example some folks look at porn, get drunk, then take advantage of women.

We have to look at images in their context. As artists we understand that. Not sure how normal people look at it. Maybe it is our job to school them by being great editors?

Love & Bass

 

[Battou]

Porn is about f¨ç?ˆ˜© as opposed to making love. Porn can be harmless and a great marital aid. Problem is that it can go dark very fast. If you are not mature porn can evoke certain feelings that are not healthy. For example some folks look at porn, get drunk, then take advantage of women.

We have to look at images in their context. As artists we understand that. Not sure how normal people look at it. Maybe it is our job to school them by being great editors?

Love & Bass

That is an interesting thought, I simultaniously posted this on site for Adult/pronographic drawings/illustrations (H-Art or hentai) and got almost a mirroring of resopnses (Minus all the camera porn ) I am kinda curious as to the responces in a community with little to no art relation.

 

[craig]

Keep us posted for sure. In this case I think your role as editor is heavy. Only answer is use your best judgement and say a small prayer.

Love & Bass

 

[RMThompson]

Porn is about f¨ç?ˆ˜© as opposed to making love. Porn can be harmless and a great marital aid. Problem is that it can go dark very fast. If you are not mature porn can evoke certain feelings that are not healthy. For example some folks look at porn, get drunk, then take advantage of women.

I couldn't disagree more. Their has to be a predisposition towards this type of behaviour. No one just goes "crazy" and start abusing women because the evil porn!!!

 

[JerryPH]

Porn will not make most into abusers, no more than video games will make our children into mass killers or make the average well balanced person into a serial killer after watching a CSI marathon over a weekend. That is just rediculous.

What ever it was this abberant behavior was already well established and there way before hand. Time for the people that claim that as an excuse for their mistakes to grow up and accept responsability for their actions.

 

[DSLR noob]

Okay I'm a little pervy and I didn't read through the thread to see if anyone else is like this but................

When I know I am about to look at nude art I'm always giddily in my head start thinking "Hey I get to see a naked person" for some reason every single time and I know that may be a little disgusting of me to say about someobody's creative vision on art but it gets better. When my eye actually sees the image for the first time I am awestruck by the shear beauty or creativity behind it and all the primal lustful feelings erase themselves instantly. In some cases I will see both how beautiful it is and how great the body looks at the same time, but with porn it's just the body only nothing ever comes to mind like "wow what a great source o flighting for this angle, it really adds contrast".