Fuji Film Simulations

[VidThreeNorth]

This is probably the best one stop look at Fuji's film simulations. It is very long and has a lot of examples and very thorough technical analysis. I have not finished reading it yet.

"The ultimate guide to Fuji’s Film Simulations; A DEEP dive to de-mystify one of Fuji’s best features",
Posted Aug 18, 2020 by Imaging Resource, by Dave Etchells
"The ultimate guide to Fuji’s Film Simulations; A DEEP dive to de-mystify one of Fuji’s best features"

 

[Derrel]

Good article!;12,000 words, over 90 illustrations.

 

[markjwyatt]

Looks like an excellent article, and one I will bookmark as a reference. I went to Fuji for film sims, but am mainly shooting RAW. I need to start using X-RAW Studio. My daughters prefer the JPGs from the camera to my RAW processed images (especially color). Tells me something. One, maybe I am not good at RAW processing. Two, Fuji sims are really good. If I used JPG more, I could probably create presets (i.e., under expose to capture the sky, but bring up the foreground) that would allow me to use SOOC results more often. Usually for my purposes I only do SOOC with ACROS sims.

 

[Derrel]

I have a Fuji S5 pro digital single-lens reflex I need to see what kind of film simulations it has, if indeed it has any.
I have barely used it. I bought it and kept it in storage for 5 years and have only used it on two occasions over the past 10 years.

 

[VidThreeNorth]

Looking at the "Classic Neg" samples, the bright pink flowers (roses, I think) made me think of the opening of "My Fair Lady", which is funny because, as far as I can remember, there were no roses in that sequence. It was all peonies and carnations, and I don't think anything was pink either. But that would have been the period when home photos would have had that look.

I remember from interviews, that real Hollywood movies never looked like they were shot. Wardrobe and makeup people knew this and adjusted to it. Is this what they meant? Thinking about "pink" brings to mind "Funny Face" which is another Audrey Hepburn movie of the same period. I have those movies on DVD. I should go watch them.

When I think about how Fuji was done so much with film simulations, I remember hearing that in Japan, when Fuji came to the West, the other big film maker there was Sakuracolor, which was related to Konica. Then later Konica and Minolta got together and eventually, according to our earlier discussion "here", Sony bought up the camera making assets. I wonder if anyone could access Sakura's people and assets and bring simulations of those films? Actually, the workers probably moved to Fuji.

 

[cgw]

I have a Fuji S5 pro digital single-lens reflex I need to see what kind of film simulations it has, if indeed it has any.
I have barely used it. I bought it and kept it in storage for 5 years and have only used it on two occasions over the past 10 years.

Those Fuji-Nikon DSLRs seemed to be gateway drugs for later Fuji products. Several friends who shot them were enthusiastic early adopters of the X-Pro and X-100. Fujifilm.ca wrote them personal letters thanking them for their purchase. They also got treated to concierge service on those and later Fuji products. Quick repair turnaround and no-charge for things like strap ring kits and replacement eyepieces. Field reps listen, take notes and actually e-mail follow-up on questions or problems. CRM at its finest!

 

[SquarePeg]

Looks like an excellent article, and one I will bookmark as a reference. I went to Fuji for film sims, but am mainly shooting RAW. I need to start using X-RAW Studio. My daughters prefer the JPGs from the camera to my RAW processed images (especially color). Tells me something. One, maybe I am not good at RAW processing. Two, Fuji sims are really good. If I used JPG more, I could probably create presets (i.e., under expose to capture the sky, but bring up the foreground) that would allow me to use SOOC results more often. Usually for my purposes I only do SOOC with ACROS sims.

I usually prefer the Fuji jpegs to my own raw edits! With the exception of astrophotography, I typically don’t bother with the raws. Less editing = more shooting time!

 

[Derrel]

Those Fuji-Nikon DSLRs seemed to be gateway drugs for later Fuji products. Several friends who shot them were enthusiastic early adopters of the X-Pro and X-100. Fujifilm.ca wrote them personal letters thanking them for their purchase. They also got treated to concierge service on those and later Fuji products. Quick repair turnaround and no-charge for things like strap ring kits and replacement eyepieces. Field reps listen, take notes and actually e-mail follow-up on questions or problems. CRM at its finest!

The Fuji S2 pro produced some of my favorite pictures. I shot it from about 2002 to 2004 t.color was really good.
Back in those long-ago days processing the raw files from Fuji cameras was not that easy and consequently in my first two years I shot almost exclusively jpegs. Fuji has a different color idea then Canon or Nikon or other camera manufacturers.

 

[markjwyatt]

Looks like an excellent article, and one I will bookmark as a reference. I went to Fuji for film sims, but am mainly shooting RAW. I need to start using X-RAW Studio. My daughters prefer the JPGs from the camera to my RAW processed images (especially color). Tells me something. One, maybe I am not good at RAW processing. Two, Fuji sims are really good. If I used JPG more, I could probably create presets (i.e., under expose to capture the sky, but bring up the foreground) that would allow me to use SOOC results more often. Usually for my purposes I only do SOOC with ACROS sims.

I usually prefer the Fuji jpegs to my own raw edits! With the exception of astrophotography, I typically don’t bother with the raws. Less editing = more shooting time!

I think you are correct overall. I am afraid if I do not capture RAW, that I am throwing a lot of potential away. When you make 8-bit jpegs, you throw away a lot of information. I will probably start experimenting with X-RAW Studio so I can get the best of both worlds- actual Fuji sims and RAW. Right now I capture a high quality jpeg and a RAW for each shot. I will probably continue that, but put a bit more effort into the in-camera jpegs to see if I can minimize the amount of RAW processing I need to do.

 

[SquarePeg]

Looks like an excellent article, and one I will bookmark as a reference. I went to Fuji for film sims, but am mainly shooting RAW. I need to start using X-RAW Studio. My daughters prefer the JPGs from the camera to my RAW processed images (especially color). Tells me something. One, maybe I am not good at RAW processing. Two, Fuji sims are really good. If I used JPG more, I could probably create presets (i.e., under expose to capture the sky, but bring up the foreground) that would allow me to use SOOC results more often. Usually for my purposes I only do SOOC with ACROS sims.

I usually prefer the Fuji jpegs to my own raw edits! With the exception of astrophotography, I typically don’t bother with the raws. Less editing = more shooting time!

I think you are correct overall. I am afraid if I do not capture RAW, that I am throwing a lot of potential away. When you make 8-bit jpegs, you throw away a lot of information. I will probably start experimenting with X-RAW Studio so I can get the best of both worlds- actual Fuji sims and RAW. Right now I capture a high quality jpeg and a RAW for each shot. I will probably continue that, but put a bit more effort into the in-camera jpegs to see if I can minimize the amount of RAW processing I need to do.

Yes - I shoot 1 card raw the other jpeg as well. If a photo is just for social media sharing or printing in the family vacation album or sharing here for critique, I'm good with the jpeg file most of the time. If I'm going to print something to hang or if I feel like it's something I want to save long term, I download the raw file and work with that. I also use the raw files for astro or if I am doing a lot of dodge/burn, exposure, white balance or shadow editing.

 

[Ysarex]

Looks like an excellent article, and one I will bookmark as a reference. I went to Fuji for film sims, but am mainly shooting RAW. I need to start using X-RAW Studio. My daughters prefer the JPGs from the camera to my RAW processed images (especially color). Tells me something. One, maybe I am not good at RAW processing. Two, Fuji sims are really good. If I used JPG more, I could probably create presets (i.e., under expose to capture the sky, but bring up the foreground) that would allow me to use SOOC results more often. Usually for my purposes I only do SOOC with ACROS sims.

I usually prefer the Fuji jpegs to my own raw edits! With the exception of astrophotography, I typically don’t bother with the raws. Less editing = more shooting time!

I think you are correct overall. I am afraid if I do not capture RAW, that I am throwing a lot of potential away.

You are.

When you make 8-bit jpegs, you throw away a lot of information. I will probably start experimenting with X-RAW Studio so I can get the best of both worlds- actual Fuji sims and RAW.

You can't get the best of both worlds. Exposure fixes the information in a raw file and determines what you get to work with. X-Raw Studio can't change exposure. It includes a push/pull option that will lighten/darken the final JPEG but that's a different process than capturing data with an exposure. Using Fuji X cameras, if you set an exposure to create a good JPEG you're typically compromising the raw file exposure.

Right now I capture a high quality jpeg and a RAW for each shot. I will probably continue that, but put a bit more effort into the in-camera jpegs to see if I can minimize the amount of RAW processing I need to do.

Fuji SOOC JPEGs can be OK under a restricted range of lighting conditions. They're still more work than shooting raw however. With raw all you have to worry about is exposure.

I was in the park Tuesday with my XT-4. I expect to be able to photograph whatever I want to photograph and so I took this photo:

If I were shooting JPEGs I couldn't take that photo. The Fuji image processing software just can't deal with that lighting contrast and take the photo I took. Let's load the RAF file into X-Raw Studio and see what's possible. I took the photo with the EC set to +.3. If I don't pull the processing in X-Raw Studio any JPEG I get has clipped highlights. If I pull the processing -.3 I still get clipped highlights in the JPEG but they're pretty minor and the image is already way too dark.

The lighting contrast is too high. So let's use the Astia film sim and then take advantage of the tone controls and pull the highlights back as far as possible and lighten the shadows as much as possible. So I've done that; in X-Raw Studio pull the processing -.3, Astia film sim and highlights and shadows as far as they'll go and I get this:

That simply sucks. Any way the camera can do better? Yes and no. Fuji has an answer to the kind of lighting contrast you see here. It improves the photo but there's a catch. Fuji cameras before the XT-3 have the DR modes and the XT-3 and 4 also have D-Range. Those functions will apply a much lower contrast tone curve to the image and that sucky JPEG will get better. I can't use those on this image because I shot the photo at ISO 160. The D-Range and DR modes require that you raise the ISO. Raising the ISO reduces exposure. Given the lighting contrast in the scene and the degree to which I opened up the shadows what would be the one utterly dumbest thing I could do? Reduce exposure. I put some effort into opening up those shadows. Why would I want to expose less and throw shadow detail away?

So I like my photo of the pond in the park. My camera image processor can't do that. I can. A little later I took this photo of the pond in the park:

My camera image processor couldn't produce that photo either. I could.

Joe

 

[markjwyatt]

Looks like an excellent article, and one I will bookmark as a reference. I went to Fuji for film sims, but am mainly shooting RAW. I need to start using X-RAW Studio. My daughters prefer the JPGs from the camera to my RAW processed images (especially color). Tells me something. One, maybe I am not good at RAW processing. Two, Fuji sims are really good. If I used JPG more, I could probably create presets (i.e., under expose to capture the sky, but bring up the foreground) that would allow me to use SOOC results more often. Usually for my purposes I only do SOOC with ACROS sims.

I usually prefer the Fuji jpegs to my own raw edits! With the exception of astrophotography, I typically don’t bother with the raws. Less editing = more shooting time!

I think you are correct overall. I am afraid if I do not capture RAW, that I am throwing a lot of potential away.

You are.

When you make 8-bit jpegs, you throw away a lot of information. I will probably start experimenting with X-RAW Studio so I can get the best of both worlds- actual Fuji sims and RAW.

You can't get the best of both worlds. Exposure fixes the information in a raw file and determines what you get to work with. X-Raw Studio can't change exposure. It includes a push/pull option that will lighten/darken the final JPEG but that's a different process than capturing data with an exposure. Using Fuji X cameras, if you set an exposure to create a good JPEG you're typically compromising the raw file exposure.

Right now I capture a high quality jpeg and a RAW for each shot. I will probably continue that, but put a bit more effort into the in-camera jpegs to see if I can minimize the amount of RAW processing I need to do.

Fuji SOOC JPEGs can be OK under a restricted range of lighting conditions. They're still more work than shooting raw however. With raw all you have to worry about is exposure.

I was in the park Tuesday with my XT-4. I expect to be able to photograph whatever I want to photograph and so I took this photo:

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If I were shooting JPEGs I couldn't take that photo. The Fuji image processing software just can't deal with that lighting contrast and take the photo I took. Let's load the RAF file into X-Raw Studio and see what's possible. I took the photo with the EC set to +.3. If I don't pull the processing in X-Raw Studio any JPEG I get has clipped highlights. If I pull the processing -.3 I still get clipped highlights in the JPEG but they're pretty minor and the image is already way too dark.

The lighting contrast is too high. So let's use the Astia film sim and then take advantage of the tone controls and pull the highlights back as far as possible and lighten the shadows as much as possible. So I've done that; in X-Raw Studio pull the processing -.3, Astia film sim and highlights and shadows as far as they'll go and I get this:

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That simply sucks. ...

Ok, in RAW mode, I would underexpose the foreground a bit to be sure I capture the sky, then in RAW process bring up the midtones and possibly shadows a bit to compensate (or play with the curve). I cannot do that in X-RAW Studio?

According to the linked article, using Fuji sims gives you much more than what you can do in RAW (The ultimate guide to Fuji’s Film Simulations; A DEEP dive to de-mystify one of Fuji’s best features)

 

[Ysarex]

Looks like an excellent article, and one I will bookmark as a reference. I went to Fuji for film sims, but am mainly shooting RAW. I need to start using X-RAW Studio. My daughters prefer the JPGs from the camera to my RAW processed images (especially color). Tells me something. One, maybe I am not good at RAW processing. Two, Fuji sims are really good. If I used JPG more, I could probably create presets (i.e., under expose to capture the sky, but bring up the foreground) that would allow me to use SOOC results more often. Usually for my purposes I only do SOOC with ACROS sims.

I usually prefer the Fuji jpegs to my own raw edits! With the exception of astrophotography, I typically don’t bother with the raws. Less editing = more shooting time!

I think you are correct overall. I am afraid if I do not capture RAW, that I am throwing a lot of potential away.

You are.

When you make 8-bit jpegs, you throw away a lot of information. I will probably start experimenting with X-RAW Studio so I can get the best of both worlds- actual Fuji sims and RAW.

You can't get the best of both worlds. Exposure fixes the information in a raw file and determines what you get to work with. X-Raw Studio can't change exposure. It includes a push/pull option that will lighten/darken the final JPEG but that's a different process than capturing data with an exposure. Using Fuji X cameras, if you set an exposure to create a good JPEG you're typically compromising the raw file exposure.

Right now I capture a high quality jpeg and a RAW for each shot. I will probably continue that, but put a bit more effort into the in-camera jpegs to see if I can minimize the amount of RAW processing I need to do.

Fuji SOOC JPEGs can be OK under a restricted range of lighting conditions. They're still more work than shooting raw however. With raw all you have to worry about is exposure.

I was in the park Tuesday with my XT-4. I expect to be able to photograph whatever I want to photograph and so I took this photo:

View attachment 196358

If I were shooting JPEGs I couldn't take that photo. The Fuji image processing software just can't deal with that lighting contrast and take the photo I took. Let's load the RAF file into X-Raw Studio and see what's possible. I took the photo with the EC set to +.3. If I don't pull the processing in X-Raw Studio any JPEG I get has clipped highlights. If I pull the processing -.3 I still get clipped highlights in the JPEG but they're pretty minor and the image is already way too dark.

The lighting contrast is too high. So let's use the Astia film sim and then take advantage of the tone controls and pull the highlights back as far as possible and lighten the shadows as much as possible. So I've done that; in X-Raw Studio pull the processing -.3, Astia film sim and highlights and shadows as far as they'll go and I get this:

View attachment 196374

That simply sucks. ...

Ok, in RAW mode, I would underexpose the foreground a bit to be sure I capture the sky, then in RAW process bring up the midtones and possibly shadows a bit to compensate (or play with the curve). I cannot do that in X-RAW Studio?

No, you can't do that in X-Raw Studio. X-Raw Studio is just a computer interface to the camera's image processing software. To use it the camera has to be connected to your computer and turned on. You will then be able to do the same set of operations that you could perform using the camera raw processor. The camera raw processor provides a pretty limited range of adjustments. You can push/pull how bright the image is. You can use any of that camera's film simulations. You can use the camera's tone adjustments to push/pull highlights and shadows, but you also mentioned midtones above. X-Raw Studio doesn't offer any additional functions beyond what's in the camera.

According to the linked article, using Fuji sims gives you much more than what you can do in RAW (The ultimate guide to Fuji’s Film Simulations; A DEEP dive to de-mystify one of Fuji’s best features)

In terms of color the Fuji film sims give you much more than what you can do easily in a raw processor. Using a high-end raw processor you can make or import your own camera input profiles which then allows you (caveat: effort and time involved) to do much more than the Fuji film sims.

But that's color and not tone response. To use the Fuji film sims in the camera (including w/X-Raw Studio) you have to use the camera's image processing software. (There is the option to use something like Lightroom or Capture One's simulations of the simulations and a lot of folks are happy with that....)

So it's all about tone response. Fuji's image processing software is as good as it gets and maybe as good as it will ever get. It offers a lot of options and can generate a pretty nice photo under restricted circumstances. If you're taking all of your photos in the studio and are very careful with your lighting you should be able to set up the camera to output pretty decent results. But most of us don't do all of our photography in a studio and so we don't normally have complete control of the lighting and there's the rub.

The camera software is going to apply a tone curve to your image. You get to modify that tone curve and lighten or darken the image and push/pull the highlights and shadows (and further make changes to the color). BUT YOU ONLY GET ONE TONE CURVE. And that one tone curve will be applied to the entire image. Thinking about my own personal experience that'll work every once in awhile although I can't remember the last time it did. Ask a skilled darkroom printer when was the last time they made a print and didn't improve the image with any burning or dodging?

The two photos I showed you yesterday were extreme examples of lighting that the camera can't handle at all. I shot those straight into the sun. I'll take that back -- Fuji's D-Range function will do a pretty fair job with lighting like that but for the catch that you have to reduce exposure to use it. I didn't have to reduce exposure.

Let's look at another photo I took in the park on Tuesday. This is X-Raw Studio using the camera processor to make a JPEG from the raw file:

What we've got here is full front-lit sunlight. Camera should do a pretty good job with that. One little tricky spot is the brightest areas of that cloud on the right. I'd actually prefer the image just a little brighter but if I take that option the camera image processor clips the cloud. I already have the highlights pulled back as far as they'll go and the film sim is Astia which is lower contrast. If the image were a little brighter the shadows wouldn't be quite so hard and harsh. But I'm getting picky. WB is auto and the color of the sky is dead on accurate.

The image is a little flat overall and the reason is because of that pull back on the highlights. So even with lighting as easy as this I'm rock and hard place wedged between a better contrast tone curve and clipping diffuse highlights in the cloud. So I've taken the lesser of two evils and gone with no cloud clipping. This is why I said above ask a skilled darkroom printer when was the last time they made a print and didn't improve the image with any burning or dodging? Printing this in the darkroom I would have raised the overall tone curve contrast and then burned down that cloud a little. And again there's the rub with using the camera software: you only get one tone curve and it get's applied to the entire image.

My observation looking at lots of photos is that most people would have opted to go the other way and get a higher contrast and slightly lighter result from the camera. The cloud highlights would clip and they'd settle for that. I see a lot of that.

Here's my version of that photo:

I used four tone curves selectively applied to different parts of the image. Compare my cloud highlights with the camera's. Look below the cloud and to the left of the fake ruins at the shadows in the shrubs. My shadows are more open even though my photo has more contrast. Look at the rubble and base of the fountain -- huge difference. Part of the problem there for the camera was the actual material itself. But the camera software has no option to address that spot problem directly. I do.

So even with pretty easy lighting my photo is better than the camera's. What's the one thing I have that the camera can't provide? I can selectively address any region or item in the photo independently. When's the last time I processed a photo and didn't find a good reason to do that? I couldn't tell you.

Joe

 

[markjwyatt]

Thanks, Joe. I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately, Fuji X-RAW Studio is just not a full RAW processing program. I like your final print. I can see big differences in the sky/clouds, reflections on water and even in the vegetation, as well as the architectural elements. None of it appears overdone, it all looks optimal and very natural.

 

[rajputaman04]

I have a Fuji S5 pro digital single-lens reflex I need to see what kind of film simulations it has, if indeed it has any.