Fuji X-T2 or X-T20

[Fujidave]

I had the same xt2 vs xt20 debate in my debate. I won't have it for another week, but I went with the X-T20 with the kit 16-50 lens. I went with the cheaper, slower glass because I'm just dipping my toe in the water for now, AND the slower glass is smaller and lighter, which was kinda the point.

Here was my thinking on the cameras:

mirrorless: TIE
X-system: TIE
sensor: TIE
processor: TIE
cost: X-T20
size: X-T20
weight: X-T20
ergonomics: X-T2
dual slots: X-T2
sealing: X-T2

it was a virtual dead heat, EXCEPT that the variables above were listed in order of importance (to me), so the X-T20 won. I wanted a small mirrorless crop sensor camera to compliment my FX nikon, and there is no nikon camera in existence that does this, so I looked to Fuji. I'll use it primarily for travel, but I picked up a cheap nikon-to-fuji adapter that I'll play with.

I just ALMOST bought an X-T10 with the kit lens on ebay to see what I thought, but in the end just went for the newer tech.

If I really dig the X-system and nikon fails to get its mirrorless oars in the water soon, I could see myself jumping ship all the way to Fuji, but we will see...

IMO both the XC lenses are great, they both do a very good job and very under rated lens.

 

[Fujidave]

OMMMM FUJI OMMMM Fuji Rocks too

 

[astroNikon]

You people need to stop with this.

Between you and @SquarePeg and @jcdeboever and @nerwin, there's something in the water. (@Gary A. is the primary suspect.)

I can't afford to have two systems. But y'all are slowly wearing me down. But I'm impatient, and I'd have to sell a lot of crap to be able to afford it. But I leave my D800 behind a lot.

It's a conspiracy. We sit around in a private chat room and do seances and chants. Slowly but surely, people start to enter the bright side. It's all about enlightenment, follow the light, follow the light. And yes Gary is the high priest. He is called Father Fuji. Peg is Sister Serenity. I'm brother bonehead bokeh.

LOL
I keep kicking the can down the street.
Better than being the can.

I still like the portability of my iPhone.
FYI, with the Fuji I'd be shooting in JPEG mode most of the time as it's JPEG rendering is quite good Out of the camera. I shoot in JPEG on my Nikons too a lot of the time now.

 

[nerwin]

You people need to stop with this.

Between you and @SquarePeg and @jcdeboever and @nerwin, there's something in the water. (@Gary A. is the primary suspect.)

I can't afford to have two systems. But y'all are slowly wearing me down. But I'm impatient, and I'd have to sell a lot of crap to be able to afford it. But I leave my D800 behind a lot.

Sorry.

 

[Fujidave]

I had heard of the so called worms and waxy skin, if you blow your photo right up to say about 400% you might find it all, I Never have and never will pixel peep. Plus in LR6 I never use the detail to sharpen as I use my Topaz for that.

 

[nerwin]

I've been using Iridient X-Transformer and it effectively removes all the waxy..wormy artifacts. With the latest Lightroom update, it's even better now. I don't even notice it anymore and I've been comparing my RAF files to my D610 files and there very little difference.

I spent so much time worrying about these issues and after owning the camera myself, the issue is blown WAY..WAY out of proportion. Don't let it be a factor when deciding on buying one of these cameras.

 

[Ysarex]

I had heard of the so called worms and waxy skin, if you blow your photo right up to say about 400% you might find it all, I Never have and never will pixel peep. Plus in LR6 I never use the detail to sharpen as I use my Topaz for that.

Waxy skin is an entirely unrelated issue and refers to Fuji's noise reduction in their JPEG image processor. I didn't mention that.

It's not a sharpening issue and although how you sharpen may or may not exacerbate the problem it is not the cause of the problem and does not correct it. Folks who address it as a sharpening problem are off target. The issue is rooted in the demosaicing of the X-Trans CFA.

Joe

 

[Ysarex]

I've been using Iridient X-Transformer and it effectively removes all the waxy..wormy artifacts. With the latest Lightroom update, it's even better now.

No it's not. In the minds of many Fuji users LR has fixed the problem at least a dozen times. With every new LR update the Fuji forums explode again: "OMG! They finally fixed it!" and that comes from people who either a month before insisted the problem was a fantasy or that it had been fixed in the previous LR update. In fact Adobe hasn't done anything to alter the issue now in years. Here's a recent example from another forum: Raw converter ex to LR workflow?

I don't even notice it anymore and I've been comparing my RAF files to my D610 files and there very little difference.

I spent so much time worrying about these issues and after owning the camera myself, the issue is blown WAY..WAY out of proportion.

I agree but yet you are avoiding the issue by using an independent demosaicing app that addresses the issue. I'm very happy with my X-T2 and recommend it as a great camera, but, in case he is unaware of it, Destin deserves to know the issue exists before making a purchase.

Joe

Don't let it be a factor when deciding on buying one of these cameras.

 

[Fujidave]

Like I said, before I got my X camera`s I`d heard of both, but it is blown right up and for me only I have never seen any faults or whatever you call them in my photos.

 

[nerwin]

I've been using Iridient X-Transformer and it effectively removes all the waxy..wormy artifacts. With the latest Lightroom update, it's even better now.

No it's not. In the minds of many Fuji users LR has fixed the problem at least a dozen times. With every new LR update the Fuji forums explode again: "OMG! They finally fixed it!" and that comes from people who either a month before insisted the problem was a fantasy or that it had been fixed in the previous LR update. In fact Adobe hasn't done anything to alter the issue now in years. Here's a recent example from another forum: Raw converter ex to LR workflow?

I don't even notice it anymore and I've been comparing my RAF files to my D610 files and there very little difference.

I spent so much time worrying about these issues and after owning the camera myself, the issue is blown WAY..WAY out of proportion.

I agree but yet you are avoiding the issue by using an independent demosaicing app that addresses the issue. I'm very happy with my X-T2 and recommend it as a great camera, but, in case he is unaware of it, Destin deserves to know the issue exists before making a purchase.

Joe

Don't let it be a factor when deciding on buying one of these cameras.

I never said it was fixed. It looks better to me and a few others said the same thing but maybe it's just all in our heads but I noticed it straight off the bat when I loaded LR after the latest update. But the issue is still present and so I still continue using an external raw converter. But I'm okay with this. Others may not be. That's fine.

But yes, people should know that the fine detail rendering will be a little different than they are used to but for me, I'm actually seeing better details. It's just been my short experience so far.

 

[Destin]

Since you're jumping brands you could always go with Pentax. The K3ii would be in the same price range Fujifilm X-T20 vs Pentax K-3 II Detailed Comparison If the articulating screen is a deal breaker then the KP is the same price. Fujifilm X-T20 vs Pentax KP Detailed Comparison Pentax is legendary for its weatherproofing, the in camera stabilization is fantastic, the ability to shoot at high ISO, and pixel shift are the icing on the cake.

I’ve always liked Pentax, but they’re too big for my taste.

 

[Destin]

I have yet to run into a lens that didn't impressed me, some maybe more than others but all super nice. The 16mm blows me away every time I use it, you can use it close or far away. I'm not sure what your into as far as focal length for your landscapes. The 8-16 f2.8 should be coming out real soon. I see a lot of people use the 10-20 or the 16 for landscapes.

Yeah I’m planning to get the 16 and the 10-20 to start. They’re both small and light and will make great landscape lenses. The 16 will be used to astrophotography.. though I’m also considering a Samyang 12mm for 2.8 for that purpose.

 

[jcdeboever]

I have yet to run into a lens that didn't impressed me, some maybe more than others but all super nice. The 16mm blows me away every time I use it, you can use it close or far away. I'm not sure what your into as far as focal length for your landscapes. The 8-16 f2.8 should be coming out real soon. I see a lot of people use the 10-20 or the 16 for landscapes.

Yeah I’m planning to get the 16 and the 10-20 to start. They’re both small and light and will make great landscape lenses. The 16 will be used to astrophotography.. though I’m also considering a Samyang 12mm for 2.8 for that purpose.

Prepare to be amazed by that 16, it's crazy good.

 

[Destin]

Sold the D500?
Glad you keep that mini-body D810 around ... lol
why the love loss with the D500?

The D810 is being kept around for portrait work and for landscape work where I don’t have to walk far from the car... at least for now.

No loss of love for the D500.. it remains my favorite camera of all time. Love it and the files it puts out.. head and shoulders above any other camera I’ve used when it comes to ergonomics and low light shooting. But I’m not really shooting sports/events anymore so it doesn’t fit well into my shooting style anymore.

 

[Ysarex]

I've been using Iridient X-Transformer and it effectively removes all the waxy..wormy artifacts. With the latest Lightroom update, it's even better now.

No it's not. In the minds of many Fuji users LR has fixed the problem at least a dozen times. With every new LR update the Fuji forums explode again: "OMG! They finally fixed it!" and that comes from people who either a month before insisted the problem was a fantasy or that it had been fixed in the previous LR update. In fact Adobe hasn't done anything to alter the issue now in years. Here's a recent example from another forum: Raw converter ex to LR workflow?

I don't even notice it anymore and I've been comparing my RAF files to my D610 files and there very little difference.

I spent so much time worrying about these issues and after owning the camera myself, the issue is blown WAY..WAY out of proportion.

I agree but yet you are avoiding the issue by using an independent demosaicing app that addresses the issue. I'm very happy with my X-T2 and recommend it as a great camera, but, in case he is unaware of it, Destin deserves to know the issue exists before making a purchase.

Joe

Don't let it be a factor when deciding on buying one of these cameras.

I never said it was fixed.

And I didn't say that you did.

You've acknowledged the problem is real and that you're doing something to address it. All I intended was that Destin be made aware.

Joe

It looks better to me and a few others said the same thing but maybe it's just all in our heads but I noticed it straight off the bat when I loaded LR after the latest update. But the issue is still present and so I still continue using an external raw converter. But I'm okay with this. Others may not be. That's fine.

But yes, people should know that the fine detail rendering will be a little different than they are used to but for me, I'm actually seeing better details. It's just been my short experience so far.