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Gee Steve. You seem to talk down to me. Maybe you need to spend time with your flash a bit more. I am positive if you are better at it, you wouldn't have started this thread about the fong dong. Seriously.. this is your version of bouncing the flash? Increase your ISO and or turn up the power. Or just leave it to ETTL while you bounce.

I never talked down to you. I basically made fun of the product. Show some respect.
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"Show some respect"?

Why?

The image you copied was one of five. Why not include those, as well? The five photos were posted to illustrate something. No, the one image you decided to post is not my "version" of bouncing the flash. Again, it was one of five images. Calling it my "version" is dishonest and, therefore, you are unworthy of respect. I don't know much about the Lightsphere, so I asked a question about it. Calling it a "Fong dong" is stupid and immature. Why would I show any degree of respect for that?

If you think I'm talking down to you, that's too bad. I can't control how you perceive things. Maybe stop carrying on like you do and things will go differently for you.

The bottom line is that you've been the most vocal in speaking out against the Lightsphere, and you've never even used one. Your points of contention had nothing to do with the product. You seem to have some obsession with the word "dong".

Why do you think such nonsense is deserving of respect?
 
F.Y.I I don't like Gary Fong, either. Robin just speaks his mind, and there is nothing wrong.

Speaking his mind is fine.

But giving reasons like "I saw three people who didn't know how to use it" and "People will ask me what it is" is hardly constructive. It adds nothing to the discussion and it doesn't answer the question. He's got zero experience using the product, so he's not really able to speak intelligently on the subject of the Lightsphere. He might be able to discuss bouncing the flash versus diffusers in general, but not versus the Fong specifically, which is what I asked about.

This is often the problem on this forum. People (like some in this thread) who've foolishly convinced themselves that they know what a person is "really" asking, and they fly off on some tangent which doesn't even come close to addressing the original question being asked.

That's what Robin did. Defend him all you want, but both of you were spectacular failures at answering a pretty simple question...
 
Oh.. the word fong dong has been used since it came out. I didn't invent it. I am proud I have never used or owned one.

This arguing back and forward is tiring. I am going to bed. Night night.
 
I really don't understand the amount of naysaying going on in this thread. It takes time and practice to learn how to effectively use any equipment. Consider someone trying to improve on the pop-up flash. They may get a 600EX-RT flash "because it takes such great flash pictures", mount it on their hotshoe, and find out (Gasp!) that their flash pictures are not much better than the pop-up flash pictures. Then they learn about bounce technique, off-camera use, what various modifiers can do, and guess what - the pictures are SO much better. If the equipment in the hands of a good photographer still gives crappy results, despite that photographer having tried various ways of getting the equipment to work, then probably the equipment is crap. But until someone goes through the learning curve, and thoroughly explores what the "new" equipment can do, the best we can say is that we haven't yet learned to use that equipment effectively.

Another aspect to consider is that there is rarely only one way to get something done. If there are (say) four different ways of achieving the same end-result, then arguing whether approach A is better than B, C or D is kinda sterile. We SHOULD know that there are several different ways to get our objectives accomplished, and then pick the method that is cheapest/fastest/easiest/(your favorite criteria) for deciding which of the four methods is most useful for your specific situation.

In my own case, as I progress down the learning curve, I often find some aspect that I haven't considered before, or some change in technique that would give me much better results. As I noted in an earlier post, I was turned to the Fong Lightsphere by seeing the results of a very good photographer. In her hands, the images were excellent, and when she explained to us the mechanics of how and where she uses it, it made a lot of sense. I have also seen the product mis-used and when you do have some knowledge of how the thing is supposed to work, then you can recognize that the usage observed is not optimal. Is that the fault of the equipment, or of the user? I would say user.

How many threads have we read about people having focusing/sharpness issues when they are trying to use their f/1.8 or f/1.4 lenses wide open? Again, there's a learning curve in understanding when and how to use that aspect of the lens, and in the hands of a skilled (as in knows what they are doing) photographer, the results are usually excellent. In the hands of someone who bought the lens but hasn't learned its use, the results are... well, you know.

It is my hope that when people make suggestions about which equipment is better (or not), they reveal their own position on the learning curve of that equipment. That's probably idealistic, but I'd like to know if someone has taken three shots or has taken 3,000 with the equipment in question, whether they have found the "sweet spot", or are still searching for it. Then it is more useful to the rest of us to know how the good photographers were able to adapt the equipment in question to their purpose. We're here to learn, right?
 
Oh.. the word fong dong has been used since it came out. I didn't invent it.

Such a thing might require original thought and, well, never mind...

I am proud I have never used or owned one.

Wow, not owning a product is something to be proud of? That's sad...

But, more to the point: Given your vast experience with the actual product, why would anyone care about your opinion of it?

Let me help you: No one would...
 
I don't know why you are upset over Gary Fong thing.

The reason I'm "upset over Gary Fong thing" is that certain people want to inject themselves into a conversation regarding something they've never used...

How is my grammar? Better than your?

Goddamn, you just can't make this stuff up...
 
I really don't understand the amount of naysaying going on in this thread.

Those who've used it and like it say so. Those who don't use it because they tried it and don't like it say so.

And then there are those folks who belch up nonsense which is not, based on their own admission, a result of their actual experience using the product. Such people need others to pay attention to them, so they throw out things they think are funny like "Fong dong" and dishonestly try to make their points.

I appreciate the input from the intelligent folks in this thread who've chosen to answer the actual question I asked.

If the mods want to lock this one down, that's fine with me. I don't know how much more ignorant input I can take from the TPF brain trust...
 
I have a large Rogue FlashBender. You should look into this Steve. It is easier to throw into your bag and I can manipulate it into doing a few different things. It is nice when you have nothing to bounce light from. Check them out.
 
I have a large Rogue FlashBender. You should look into this Steve. It is easier to throw into your bag and I can manipulate it into doing a few different things. It is nice when you have nothing to bounce light from. Check them out.

I have a few of them in different sizes. I love that they hold their shape and i can roll them into a snoot. They are probably our most used flash accessory.
 
I have a large Rogue FlashBender. You should look into this Steve. It is easier to throw into your bag and I can manipulate it into doing a few different things. It is nice when you have nothing to bounce light from. Check them out.

Yeah, I was looking at those on Amazon. I've got a $50.00 Amazon gift card, and no idea what to buy with it. I'm probably one of the few people left on the planet who's never shopped on Amazon. This looks like as good a time as any to start...
 
I don't know why you are upset over Gary Fong thing.

The reason I'm "upset over Gary Fong thing" is that certain people want to inject themselves into a conversation regarding something they've never used...

How is my grammar? Better than your?

Goddamn, you just can't make this stuff up...

You are too sensitive. You need to get yourself a therapy and drink some decaf.

I have Rogue Flashbender, and it is really good.
 
I don't know why you are upset over Gary Fong thing.

The reason I'm "upset over Gary Fong thing" is that certain people want to inject themselves into a conversation regarding something they've never used...

How is my grammar? Better than your?

Goddamn, you just can't make this stuff up...

You are too sensitive. You need to get yourself a therapy and drink some decaf.

I have Rogue Flashbender, and it is really good.

Number 1: This thread is ridiculous. I can't believe grown men and woman are arguing so passionately about something that matters so little.

2: I've used but never owned a Gary Fong. Didn't work for me. I prefer bouncing and a mini soft box for my on-camera flash modifiers. Your milage may vary from mine, but that's what worked with my techniques. Just my 2 cents

3: DON'T LET DECAF HAPPEN TO YOU

Cheers-
Nathan
 
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